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Is It Time To Form A 'Rogue' Party Instead Of A 'Pirate' Party?
from the what's-rogue? dept
We've discussed a few times how important language choices are in the debate over copyright -- something that entire books have been written about. For years, the key term was always around "piracy." It was all about stopping pirates and dealing with piracy. But, some have noticed a gradual shift in the language, away from piracy. In fact, much of the debate around COICA has focused on "rogue" sites rather than "pirate" sites. Copycense and Glyn Moody recently had an interesting Twitter discussion on the topic, as seen below:
Part of the discussion centers around whether or not this allows for greater conflation of copyright infringement with other types of infringement, such as patents and trademark/counterfeiting. That certainly sounds reasonable to me, though, I also wonder if part of it is the realization that condemning people as "pirates" just isn't effective any more. Part of it is that people have realized how ridiculous it is to compare non-commercial, personal file sharing to "piracy," and part of it may be the overall embrace by some of the term (e.g., "The Pirate Party"). Perhaps, for all the attempts to use the negative word "piracy" as part of the failed education campaign aspect, the industry is realizing it's time to move on.
Of course "rogue sites" seems like an odd choice as well. Is it really accurate or appropriate? The definition of "rogue sites," seems to depend very much on who's talking. I guess that's part of the beauty of it. It allows folks in the entertainment industry, for example, to label any site they don't like, or which represents a challenge to them, business model-wise, as being "rogue." It's "rogue" as in that it doesn't fit with the way the industry wants to do business.
And, yet, historically, if we look at some of the most innovative businesses in the world, they started off as being "rogue," as in going in a different direction and going "off-the-farm" with some crazy ideas. For example, a little industry known as "the movie industry," started out in very much this manner, running out to Hollywood where it could grow without having to deal with Edison and his aggressive patent enforcement attempts. Perhaps "rogue" isn't such a bad thing.. and maybe we should be embracing rogue sites and services, in that they seem to be driving innovation forward in useful ways.
Of course "rogue sites" seems like an odd choice as well. Is it really accurate or appropriate? The definition of "rogue sites," seems to depend very much on who's talking. I guess that's part of the beauty of it. It allows folks in the entertainment industry, for example, to label any site they don't like, or which represents a challenge to them, business model-wise, as being "rogue." It's "rogue" as in that it doesn't fit with the way the industry wants to do business.
And, yet, historically, if we look at some of the most innovative businesses in the world, they started off as being "rogue," as in going in a different direction and going "off-the-farm" with some crazy ideas. For example, a little industry known as "the movie industry," started out in very much this manner, running out to Hollywood where it could grow without having to deal with Edison and his aggressive patent enforcement attempts. Perhaps "rogue" isn't such a bad thing.. and maybe we should be embracing rogue sites and services, in that they seem to be driving innovation forward in useful ways.
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interesting Twitter discussion on the topic, as seen below:
earlier today:
read resources.youknowbest.com - locked firefox, had to kill process.
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For Example
This could be fun.
Also, "Bent" mean "gay" in British idiom, which is why Futurama never got a fair shot at general broadcast. ;-P
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going rogue
At the poltucal convention for the rogue party your "ticket" to get in is not wearing underwater FTW.
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The body odor alone would be enough to get the RIAA to give in to their demands.
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My Contribution
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"Pirates? I thought I was voting for Sarah Palin! That woman is a true Amercun!"
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Perhaps this name?
But, then again, I'm not sure the public is ready for such a radical choice.
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You forgot a letter there...
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Rogue, as in, sneaking, backstabbing RPG character or rogue, as in, has nuclear weapons and is willing to use them?
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Re: Perhaps this name?
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Anything but rogue...
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What's in a name?
But also consider that "Pirate Party" is by now a little more than a funny idea for a name. After the first, Piratpartiet, was founded in Sweden on Jan. 1 2006, sister parties have been created in over 40 countries, mostly in Europe, but reaching as far as Canada, USA, Mexico, Argentina on one side and Australia and NZ on the other.
The Swedish Pirates won one seat (should be two now..) in the European Parliament in 2009. European Pirates have run in many elections since then, and won seats in local parliaments in Germany, Switzerland, and Czech Republic.
The Pirate Parties International (PPI) is an association of many national or regional Pirate Parties, and requires members to have the word "Pirate" in their name. At their last conference in Friedrichshafen some weeks ago, the pirates of Canada, Maroc, Slovenia, and New Zealand were voted upon and welcomed as new members.
So, even as Pirates are critical on various "intellectual property" issues, the name "Pirate Party" has become a kind of international brand.
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How about the Cheapskate or freeloader party?
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Weird. While I'm sure some people do make that argument, we've rarely seen that to be the point of the issues raised here by anyone at all. In fact, we keep seeing that people are more than happy to pay when they realize they're supporting artists they like directly.
It seems like your claim is pure FUD.
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The problem with rebranding
Youtube alone has helped call plenty of attention to how stupid copyright laws are. In plenty a video where either the audio was removed or the entire video, you can see people commenting how copyright just ruins things. Public opinion is against them, and anything they want to call file sharing is already on the path to the same fate as "pirating". It just isn't a bad thing.
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I think, the bottom question in the "Pirates" affair is: how does an older world (including much of the media industry) deal with the fact that information sharing is easier than ever, and doesn't need intermediaries like MAFIAA and associates? Or: how do we deal with them?
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"You counterfeited our goods, you magnificent bastard sites!". That'll definitely make them stop infringing on copypatentrightcounterfeitpiratedgoods.
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can we be the first, run the second, and date the third? :P
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