MPAA: Real Patriots Don't Share

from the nationalism-as-a-business-model? dept

There has been a war of language and thought going on in the copyright debate for years.  People think in language just as they speak in language, which is why content industry groups have gone to such lengths to pervert nuanced legal language into stacatto and misleading buzzwords crafted purely for public consumption.  This language war is the reason why when I Google the word "piracy", the first page gives me the Wikipedia article for the war act of piracy and then in the news items I get a story about lawmakers wondering if search engines contribute to piracy.

Well, the MPAA, never shy to jump on the hyperbole train, is doing its best to make the debate about patriotism, rather than the actual issues, by cloaking itself in the American flag.  Michael O'Leary, Vice President of the MPAA, spoke at a hearing with the House Judiciary Committee's Intellectual Property, Competition, and Internet Sub-Comittee (say that three times fast).  Look at the whole quote first:

"The key foundation of American industry, the expectation that hard work and innovation is rewarded,  is imperiled when thieves, whether online or on the street, are allowed to steal America's creative products and enrich themselves along the way.  Rampant theft of American intellectual property puts the livelihoods of the workers who invest time, energy and fortune to create the filmed entertainment enjoyed by millions at risk; to these men and women and their families, digital theft means declining incomes, lost jobs and reduced health and retirement benefits. We believe that rogue sites legislation, combined with the Administration's work with intermediaries and enforcement by the IPR Center, will go a long way towards shutting down the unauthorized distribution of copyrighted works and close a gap in the intellectual property law."

Three sentences with so much intellectual dishonesty, subtle word games, and nationalism wrapped up in a tidy knot that it's sickening.  First, to get it out of the way, note the word games being played through the legally incorrect use of the words "thieves", "steal", and "digital theft".  This is the game they play with words and thought.

But more prominent is the plea for American nationalism in his words.  Like so much bad policy before it, COICA legislation (which has been dutifully renamed "rogue sites legislation" by O'Leary, as the word games continue) is being wrapped by supporters in the flag.  We've seen this movie before and we know how it works.  The Patriot Act was wrapped in the American flag (more word games) because if the time spent saying, "This here bill is good for 'Merica" was spent actually explaining to people what it was, the public outcry would be heard loud and clear.  It's the same with COICA, as the MPAA subtlely informs us that taking down "rogue" sites without true due process is somehow as American as Superman and apple pie (pay no attention to the innocents caught in the crossfire).

But as long as O'Leary wants us to pledge allegiance to flag of the Motion Picture Association of America, I have a couple of questions.  Is applauding government censorship American?  Is it American to push around our fellow nations of the world to adopt laws simply because our industry wants them to?  Does the land of the free and the home of the brave really mean tucking your tail between your legs and running to daddy government because you don't know how to maximize your profit margins in the digital world?

I'll tell you what, O'Leary: I'll start taking lessons in patriotism from the MPAA about the same time I accept an invitation to the Ku Klux Klan's symposium on racial tolerance... 



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    crade (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 7:44am

    "Is it American to push around our fellow nations of the world to adopt laws simply because our industry wants them to?"
    Oooh, ooh, I know this one, pick me! pick meeee!!!

     

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      Greevar (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:35am

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      Sadly, it is fast becoming the "American way".

       

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        crade (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:44am

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        I couldn't help it.. I was imagining a grand speach with a crowd of people shouting No! after each question but they all deadpanned when I read that one.

         

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        The eejit (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 12:24pm

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        Truth, Justice and the Am- oh, hang on a second, emergency phone call.

        *minutes pass, returns with a fat brown envelope and white powder on his upper lip*

        Ahem.

        We have a new Public Service Announcement! Resistance is Futile! Join the MPAA! Amaerica will become one with the world! All is one! FOR AMERICA! FOR OUR OVERLORDS!

         

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    Nick Dynice (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:11am

    Real patriots are imperialists slave master capitalist maximialists. That is what 'Merica was founded on!

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:22am

    Hmmm

    Hopefully this doesn't turn into a 'Merica bashing thread. I was, of course, referring to my esteemed nation's ideals....

     

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      senshikaze (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:38am

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      I like the MPAA == KKK there at the end.

      :)

       

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      Greevar (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:41am

      It's the people, not the concept.

      There's nothing wrong with the founding ideals and principles of America. It's the people who are charged with its aegis that are what's wrong. The things that are great about this country are being pissed on by those that have sworn to uphold liberty by selling out, making this country a perverted shell of what it once was. We are universally hated by other nations, but loved by corporations that benefit from our laws that are for sale to the highest bidder.

       

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    Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:32am

    Answers

    "Is applauding government censorship American?"
    - Yes

    "Is it American to push around our fellow nations of the world to adopt laws simply because our industry wants them to?"
    - Yes

    "Does the land of the free and the home of the brave really mean tucking your tail between your legs and running to daddy government because you don't know how to maximize your profit margins in the digital world?"
    - Yes

    But at least we allow movies about time machines.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:42am

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      But at least we STILL allow movies about time machines.

      there, I fixed that for you.

       

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        Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:49am

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        If you think there will be a law in the US that restricts what the entertainment industry is allowed to do, you clearly have not been paying attention to who is running this country.

         

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          cc (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:22am

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          THE FOLLOWING PICTURE HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR
          RESTRICTED AUDIENCES ONLY
          BY THE MOTION PICTURE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA, INC

           

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            Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:24am

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            Sure, but you see that AFTER you pay for it.

             

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              cc (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:34am

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              Classify Toy Story as R18 and see if an 8-year-old is allowed to pay for it.

              Watch this.

               

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                Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:42am

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                Like an 8 year old can afford to go to a movie these days.

                A movie ticket, popcorn, and small (1.5 gallon) Dr. Pepper is the GNP of some small countries.

                 

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            Rich, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:30am

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            Contrary to popular belief, the MPAA's rating are NOT law. This is no law that says a minor cannot watch an R rated movie.

             

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              cc (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:40am

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              I didn't know that. At least in the UK it's a criminal offence to sell R rated content to minors. All hail to the prudes...

               

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              SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:43am

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              There's also no law that says NC-17 films or AO games can't be sold in retail stores, but I defy you to find either in Wal-Mart or Best Buy. You don't have to outlaw something to ensure it fails, and especially in the case of movies getting a "bad" rating can essentially be the same as "you will never recoup your budget."

               

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                Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:58am

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                "There's also no law that says NC-17 films or AO games can't be sold in retail stores, but I defy you to find either in Wal-Mart or Best Buy"

                That is the way it is SUPPOSED to work. That is the free market at work. A retailer can make a decision - do I cater to parent's that have young children, or do I support the people that want to watch adult films? Smart retailers like Wal-Mart will make the decision based on what will make them the most money and smaller niche retailers will be able to sell what they do not.

                Why make laws to do what a free market will automatically do on it's own?

                 

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                  SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:26am

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                  "Why make laws to do what a free market will automatically do on it's own?"

                  You're missing my point. I don't want a law that would bar the sale of AO and NC-17 movies. Rather, your comment implied that the MPAA ratings don't matter because "they aren't law," but it can be shown that they are far more influential than that statement implies. I think it's problematic when a small, private organization essentially has wide-ranging censorship powers.

                   

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                    Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:35am

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                    "Rather, your comment implied that the MPAA ratings don't matter because "they aren't law,""

                    That wasn't me, but I don't think he meant they did not matter. Wal-Mart not selling a movie or game is not censorship. It is a company making a decision to not sell something based on their beliefs or the beliefs of their customers. Think what a problem it would be if they couldn't do that. Every store that sells movies has to offer EVERY movie?

                    A free market allowing the production and distribution of unpopular content creates niche markets - and that is a good thing for smaller companies, makes for good PR for the bigger companies, provides diverse products for the customers and provides an environment barrier for customers that want to avoid the unpopular content. This is all good.

                    The MPAA unfairly applying their rating system sucks, but you cannot blame Wal-Mart for that.

                     

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                      SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:15am

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                      Sorry, my work system sucks and can't display those AC icons.

                      I agree that WalMart not-selling a game or movie isn't censorship, and they should by all rights be able to make that decision.

                      My anger is solely* with the MPAA and their unfair application of ratings -- because that's [a huge component of] what WalMart et al are basing their retail choices on. If the MPAA gave your movie a "bad" rating, it doesn't matter if there's a "worse" movie with a PG-13 on the shelves.

                      *and maybe a little towards people who fail to see the practical implications of systems like this...

                       

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                btr1701 (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:59am

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                > but I defy you to find either in Wal-Mart
                > or Best Buy

                Well, there's your problem. Stop shopping at Wal-Mart and Best Buy and a lot of these issues go away.

                 

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                  SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:33am

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                  We're not talking about my problem -- if there's a game or movie out there that I want, I can find where to get it.

                  The problem is when the rating system prevents movies or games from being made because the rating they get prevents them from being widely marketted (and thus making back their budget).

                   

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                  Anonymous Coward, Sep 21st, 2011 @ 6:04am

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                  Yeah, but that's like saying "well stop searching at google.com and use bing or whatnot".

                   

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                Any Mouse (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 1:55pm

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                That's more about WalMart's heavy pro-Christian agenda than the ratings. They also only sell music and books that have been edited and censored.

                 

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      Fzzr (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:43am

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      The worst part of this comment is how sickeningly true it is.

       

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    Miles Barnett (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:40am

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel

    This quote has been attributed to Samuel Johnson:
    www.samueljohnson.com/refuge.html
    It seems like it still applies.

     

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    Jay (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:41am

    Audience

    Note the audience that the MPAA has in front of them.

    It's the Senators that make $176,000 in a year, and barely use their oversight powers to get to the bottom of the problems in any industry.

    These are the people that believe more in ideals than they do in pragmatic solutions. We see through open secrets that these are the most morally bankrupt group of legislators, lobbyists, and private interests that care not one whit about the ideals of freedom, liberty, and speech.

    So these people eat up the idea of wrapping a grand ol' flag around America that can be served on a small platter. The idea that somehow nationalism can solve the problems of the country will hit the right chords when they are far removed from the plights of the laws in effect.

    This can't be more prevalent than in Orrin Hatch and all of his antics over the years. Sadly, he continues to be voted into power. That's the true travesty.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:47am

    Still pretending you're not a supporter of piracy, Masnick?

    Do you have a list of people handy that would actually believe such a crock of bs?

    Your kicking and screaming this week about it finally being addressed by law enforcement has been most amusing.

     

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      Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:52am

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      Yeah, Mike! Obviously you were on crack when you wrote this story? I mean, come on man, WTF? This story was complete nonsense. I'd honestly rather read a blog about steaming shit piles than this travesty of an article.

      You're clearly a horrible writer, Mike, as evidenced by this very article that you yourself wrote....

       

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        Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:55am

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        ok, that better make the funniest list.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:56am

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        Why would you want to read TAM's blog?

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:00am

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        Yeah Masnick! The guy with the helmet has a point! Maybe HE should be writing articles.

         

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          Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:17am

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          "Yeah Masnick! The guy with the helmet has a point! Maybe HE should be writing articles."

          I'll tell you one thing, if I wrote articles for Techdirt, hey certainly wouldn't look anything like this. Mine would be filled with hardhitting factual journalism, the kind you see so sparingly these days. And I'd have graphs! Pretty, pretty graphs, with big pictures and bold text so that pregnant nuns everywhere could understand that Viacom is basically Godly and saint-like in a way that gives us all a boner.

          Instead we get this crap article written by The Maz. What a joke this site has become....

           

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        :Lobo Santo (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:00am

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        Trolling the trolls is too meta for me right now...

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:06am

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        Sorry, but the author parrots Masnick's silly beliefs and writing style so perfectly that was an easy mistake to make.

         

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          Killer_Tofu (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:38am

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          God forbid anyone ever agree with The Mesnik! I mean, how could they? He never supports anything he says, never argues anything intelligent, and never talks to the community. What a thoughtless propaganda spewing machine!

           

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          Anonymous a-hole, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 1:05pm

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          So, you're admitting you're a moron in a hurry? Cool!

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:06am

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        Sorry, but the author parrots Masnick's silly beliefs and writing style so perfectly that was an easy mistake to make.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:10am

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          Seems that you know all about parroting. But you only seem to be parroting yourself. Not very productive :)

           

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          Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:13am

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          You think Mike and DH have similar writing styles?
          Apparently, you are quite the discerning writing critic.

          And DH clearly doesn't parrot Mike's beliefs.

          Mike is an entrepreneur interested in helping industries avoid making huge mistakes over and over again and at the same time destroying our rights and culture.

          DH is a paranoid schizophrenic bent on world domination and now and then has a moment of clarity long enough to write an article. But he's super funny - and I think armed, so I happily announce that I like his work.

           

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            Jay (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:40am

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            And he's only quasi-evil.

            So at least we know he's a benevolent dictator.

             

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              Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:45am

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              Remember, if you want an official "Steak And BJ Day", vote Helmet in 2012....

               

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                Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:50am

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                You have me convinced.

                 

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                el_segfaulto (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:20am

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                I'm just throwing this out there...but if you need a running-mate who believes in those very same issues I am available. Plus I can carry the geek vote and Texas!

                 

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                  Gwiz (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:19am

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                  I was going to offer up my services as running mate for DH too.

                  I have vast entertainment contacts (I know ALL the best topless bars in the Midwest) and all of the proper qualifications (a unnamed bank account in the Cayman Islands to hold the "campaign contributions" and absolutely no morals).

                  But, unfortunately, I am withdrawing my name from consideration due to "cultural differences" between DH an myself. (Go Red Wings!)

                   

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                    Killer_Tofu (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:40am

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                    Gwiz, as if you don't already have enough well reasoned thought out arguments to make me respect you already, this right here just doubled it. == (Go Red Wings!) =)

                     

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            harbingerofdoom (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:23am

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            i beg to differ. DH is clearly not paranoid as they actually ARE out to get him...

             

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              Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:32am

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              "i beg to differ. DH is clearly not paranoid as they actually ARE out to get him..."

              I flashed morse code with a laser pointer to the MiBs I'm pretty sure are just outside my window in the trees if they knew you, and they said no, so I'm calling you a liar....

               

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          Meek Barbarian (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:16am

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          It's as if that mistake was almost as easy to make as it is to infringement on senseless copyright, wouldn't you say?

           

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          Dark Helmet (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:24am

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          "Sorry, but the author parrots Masnick's silly beliefs and writing style so perfectly that was an easy mistake to make."

          Just out of morbid curiousity, which belief did I "parrot" that you think is "silly"?

           

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          hm, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:11am

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          That might be why they put there name next to the story, but know how you feel about reading. Also I knew it was DH when I got to "'Merica."

          There were also many other clues but again you would have to actually read it, and mikes post to compare. However I'm fairly sure your comments are all based on titles

           

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        Meek Barbarian (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:14am

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        Hey, since coward over there is claiming this is mike's work, isn't that like aiding Mike in claiming credit of Dark Helmet's creative works? That makes Coward and Mike both guilt of RAMPANT THIEVERY! They're probably also liars, cheats, anti-American, and likely ugly to boot.

        Where's my pitchfork and how do I sign up to join the Motion Picture Army of Assholes so I can prove how much more 'Merican I am than you?

        /sarcasm

         

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      Kaden (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:02am

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      There's a bit of spittle on the side of your mouth.

       

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      Ron, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:06am

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      I don't think anyone here gives a crap about what Mike believes. We just like him writing about how stupid you guys are. So please STFU with the whole "Mike supports piracy" BS nobody cares!!

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:58am

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      Not as amusing as the look on your dumbtards faces when it won't make a dent in piracy.

       

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      The Devil's Coachman (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:35am

      ................Said the vapid douche bag, for at least the thousandth time.

      Here is the sum total of all the reply content you deserve:

      Dear Anonymous Mr. Douche Bag,

      Sod off, you wanker.

      Love,

      Yo Momma

       

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    Squirrel Brains (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:47am

    Wrong message to the wrong people?

    You would think that the MPAA would try to style a message so that it appeals to the under 35 crowd. If they want to hearts and minds, that is the audience they are going to have to reach. You try to tell someone of the internet generation anything about "it being patriotic to do this... not to do that..." and all you are going to get is a bunch of eye-rolling.

    Unfortunately, most politicians are:
    A) Older than dirt; and
    B) overly sentimental rubes

     

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    keiichi969 (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:49am

    "The key foundation of American industry, the expectation that hard work and innovation is rewarded,


    So... you guys expect to be rewarded... why?

     

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      Hephaestus (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:01am

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      "The key foundation of American industry, the expectation that hard work and innovation is rewarded,"

      "hard work" ... can't breath ... laughing to hard ... god, I just tore a stomach muscle from laughing so hard ... " and Innovation" ... please stop ... not again ... I need to breath ...

      also

      "is imperiled when thieves, whether online or on the street, are allowed to steal America's creative products and enrich themselves along the way."

      For a second there I thought they were going to confess to something ... well pot meet kettle

       

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      Greevar (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:05am

      Re:

      To expand on your comment, I'd like to add that this guy's statement is so full of bullshit it's makes me ill. The statement implies that by the mere fact that they did work, they are entitled to being paid for it. If you didn't get your prospective consumer to agree to pay for it before you created it, you're the one at fault when it ends up on the internet, because you did the work for free without establishing fair compensation with the customer. Their mentality is akin to a guy who just built a house for someone without solicitation and then demands payment because "it was hard work". If you perform a service without establishing obligations for both parties beforehand, it's your fault if you don't get paid. There's not a contractor in the world, with his mind intact, who would do a job without securing payment obligations from the customer. You'd have to be an idiot. Maybe that's what we're dealing with here?

      I'm willing to bet that the reason the industry perpetuates this travesty is because it is run by ignorance and apathy.

       

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        Darryl, Apr 10th, 2011 @ 11:46pm

        Re: Re: ignorance and apathy, and stupid logic

        There's not a contractor in the world, with his mind intact, who would do a job without securing payment obligations from the customer.

        Your kidding right ????? or are you just an idiot ?

        So you think Apple wait for someone to enter the shop and ask for an iPhone before they run out the back and make one ?

        Or a band stating they are not going to create a song unless is sells a certain number of copies?

        Or FORD building 10,000 cars BEFORE ANYONE HAS SAID THEY WILL PURCHASE THEM ???

        what about a block of units ? do you think they are all SOLD and pre-occupied before a developer takes the risk of paying for them to be built ?

        Do you know what a "spec home" is ?

        in fact MOST things are built before there is a confirmed 'sale' of that product.

        Certainly more than are not, therefore your entire argument is based on flawed logic. And worthless.

        There is ignorance and apathy, but its all coming from you.

         

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      Squirrel Brains (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:05am

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      If you pose the following question, the answer will tell you what socio-economic group the respondent belongs to:

      "What does it take to succeed in life?"

      If you answer "Hard work" then you are probably a rich fat bastard ("I work hard for my $10,000,000 yearly salary.")

       

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        Greevar (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:12am

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        "Hard work." Ha ha, right!
        Then why aren't laborers rich?

        There's a reason CEO's are so rich. Unlike the bottom level workers, they get to choose how much they are paid when they review payroll.

         

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          Gwiz (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:39am

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          There's a reason CEO's are so rich. Unlike the bottom level workers, they get to choose how much they are paid when they review payroll.

          Kind of like Congress. Except when a CEO can't balance his company's budget he can just jump ship with his golden parachute and stock options, where Congress simply keeps getting paid regardless.

           

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          SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:51am

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          To be fair, a CEO (ostensibly) takes on the risks of the entire company, and they they have the authority to direct an entire corporate entity, they also hold the responsibility to be accountable if their direction leads the company to a bad place. I'll leave aside an argument over how these risks are minimized to a point that they hardly seem like risks at all in practice and just point out that while any able-bodied person can (and probably will) take a laborer job, the same is not true for assuming the risks of a CEO. CEOs get paid more (in part) because of a difference in supply and demand.

           

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            crade (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:57am

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            What risks? Either the company succedes, or you golden parachute and abandon it? Oooh, scary.

             

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              SomeGuy (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:29am

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              I dispute that that's the case will all CEOs of all companies, and regardless, that's the discussion on minimizing risks I was setting aside. Even BESIDES that it's a limited pool of people who are willing to take CEO positions.

               

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            The Devil's Coachman (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:44am

            What a load of shite! You have no shame at all, do you?

            The average CEO could be replaced by a Rhesus monkey. You put the layoff lever in front of the CEO-monkey, and he pulls the lever and gets rewarded with a treat. Afterwards, having gorged on treats, and reduced the workforce below the minimum needed to actually get a quality product made, the CEO-monkey gets to masturbate all it wants, assuming all that layoff lever pulling didn't give him repetitive stress injuries to his wrist. If so, then the board approves hiring a highly paid admin to do it for him. That's a hell of a lot cheaper, and not at all different from what actual CEO's generally do. There may be one or two exceptions in this galaxy, but they must be laying pretty low nowadays. Once their boards figure them out, they're history.

             

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          crade (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:55am

          Re: Re: Re:

          The simple willingness take money that was really earned by someone else will get you rich.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:33am

      Re:

      Looks like a typo anyway....

      It's Useful work that's rewarded. Hard, easy I'm not picky about that. Useful is something I'll pay for...

       

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    Designerfx (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 8:57am

    real patriots

    real patriots fight for the country, not for a corporation.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:03am

    This really is sickening. I get the feeling that legislators dont vote against the patriot act simply because its called the "Patriot Act" because if they do, their ignorant constituents would be up in arms because their legislator voted against the "patriot act"...oh my!

     

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      Greevar (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:08am

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      Senator1: "We need to repeal the Patriot Act!"

      Senator2: "Only an anti-patriot would say that!"

       

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        Michael, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:18am

        Re: Re:

        Senator3: No Senator2, that Patriot Act is not about patriotism!

        Senator2: Sentaor3, how can you be advocating child pornography?

        DefenseContractor1: Senator2, here is your money.

         

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      Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:12am

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      I agree with you. I thought the whole reason they named it the Patriot Act was to make sure it would pass.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:06am

    Real patriots don't collude on prices, create barriers to enter the market, don't withhold product distribution to maximize profits, don't take issue takedowns on fanbased promotional material that can only help your business.

    I guess they just won't ever get it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:13am

    It's your patriotic duty to spy on your neighbors and report them to the Ministry of Love!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:17am

    Poor USA, this is what happens when the people stop making decisions based on logic, beliefs, morals, etc. and just listen to what the government spoon feeds the population.

    Sure there's quite a few of you willing to fight for your rights and freedoms, but so many citizens don't even notice the government stripping you of your rights and in some cases dignity. It starts with being groped at the airport, and ends the same way the USSR did.

     

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    Nathan F (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:29am

    Real Patriots don't use every legal loophole their lawyers can find to avoid paying taxes. Real Patriots don't say 'It's too expensive to run this call center in the US, so lets hire some Indians who can barely speak English to do it for us.'

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 9:55am

    File-sharers hate us for our freedoms?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:02am

    Bravo Tim, well said

     

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    mike allen (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:14am

    sharing is caring

     

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    Bengie, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:18am

    PrintPress

    I heard the print press is putting scribes out of work.

     

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    crucible, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:29am

    Real Patriots Don't Share

    Hear hear Mike.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:30am

    Real Patriots Share

    Because real patriots aren't evil.

     

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    crucible, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:30am

    Sorry Tim, I just assumed I was reading Mike.

     

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    Revelati, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:42am

    It's ok MPAA! just convince your local politicians through large financial donations and PACs to start a "WAR ON INTERNET PIRACY"

    Just think, you too could have your issue become a WAR! Just like our other products "WAR ON TERROR" and "WAR ON DRUGS" (Trademarked) You can become a part of the great American Jihad designed to oppress our people through ridiculous laws, rampant disregard for privacy, and contempt for civil rights!

    Benefits include:
    Automatic support from Americans with IQs under 100.
    Zero oversight for your private militia/internet censors.
    Pass bills through congress without anyone reading them.
    A whole line of T-Shirts and bumper stickers proudly exclaiming that you support "WAR ON ____"
    A dedicated line to the DEA, ATF, DHS, FBI, CIA, and Attorney Generals office so that you can have the door of that 14 year old kicked in and have him behind bars in minutes!

    And don't forget to try our gold package, now including our newest addition of military tribunals! Liberal judges got you down? Talking about constitution this, and civil rights that. Don't let that punk download a movie and get away with it! Now you can have a tribunal set up to rubber stamp that guilty verdict, no more embarrassing questions from the press, no more appeals, now you get YOUR brand of justice served up on a silver platter.

    So raise the prices on your movies and your music so that you can start your "WAR ON INTERNET PIRACY" today!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 10:53am

    We believe that rogue sites legislation, combined with the Administration's work with intermediaries and enforcement by the IPR Center, will ... close a gap in the intellectual property law.

    Yes, where the "gap" in law is the First Amendment prohibiting prior restraint.

    The only hope in the U.S. is that this legislation does not pass, or it is found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, if the legislation is ever litigated (U.S. citizens will have to suffer for at least a decade). If it is continually abused for economic or political reasons, put a fork in the U.S. because it is done--the U.S. would be just waiting to fall like Rome.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:43am

    Silly Americans

    You silly Americans, thinking you still live in a free country... When will you learn

     

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    Killer_Tofu (profile), Apr 8th, 2011 @ 11:48am

    Funny & Insightful

    I don't think I have modded so many comments funny or insightful in a single post in a long time. Although, most here were just funny that I modded. Still though. Quite a few.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 12:09pm

    I usually enjoy reading Techdirt articles but I can't stand Tim's writing style.

     

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    rubberpants, Apr 8th, 2011 @ 12:16pm

    Orin Hatch.

    He's my Senator. (Well, not really, he's the MPAA/RIAA's Senator) I'm a grown man with two kids and he's been in office LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE. He represents everything that's wrong with our government and I would like nothing more than to see him retire into that cushy lobbying or consulting job that's waiting patiently for him.

    The problem is that in 2012 he's probably more likely than he's ever been to get voted out. But, it won't be because he's too crazy or corrupt but because he's not crazy *enough* (see Bob Bennett).

    If I thought that someone better could beat him I'd spend a significant amount of money and effort to make it happen.

    Honestly, I think we're just all going to have to wait until he dies.

     

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    Vincent Clement (profile), Apr 9th, 2011 @ 5:28am

    Doesn't the MPAA represent the movie industry? The same movie industry that moved out west to avoid paying royalties to Edison. The same movie industry that says a blockbuster movie made no net money. Some patriots.

     

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    Geek Hillbilly, Apr 9th, 2011 @ 7:24am

    Real patriots don't buy RIAA/MPAA products or bullshit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 10th, 2011 @ 2:12am

    To Answer the questions...

    Is applauding government censorship American?... YES
    Is it American to push around our fellow nations of the world to adopt laws simply because our industry wants them to?...YES
    Does the land of the free and the home of the brave really mean tucking your tail between your legs and running to daddy government because you don't know how to maximize your profit margins in the digital world?... YES

    Thank god I live in Australia... while rapidly following your lead at least I can laugh at America (all it really is good for now) for a short time *sigh*

     

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    Darryl, Apr 11th, 2011 @ 12:10am

    USA vs Australia ------ no contest..

    yes, we Aussies are a lucky mob :)

    especially campared to the "mighty" US of A :D

    our dollar is stronger, we have far more employment, we have if anything a shortage of skilled labour, therefore if you know ANYTHING you can get a job here, and a good one.

    We have no idiots running around thinking guns are a good and fun thing.

    far less crime, far more employed, far more housing and no housing crisis.

    and stronger IP laws !!!!!!.. what does that tell you yanks ?

    I guess, nothing.. learning is not your strong point America.

     

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