Florida Court Realizes Its Mistake, Reverses Order For Ripoff Report To Take Down Content

from the good-to-see dept

At the beginning of January, we wrote about a troubling court ruling in Florida, where a judge ordered XCentric, the operators of Ripoff Report, to remove some content from their website, despite the company's policy against such removals and the clear and well-established safe harbors for Ripoff Report from Section 230. There were some serious problems with this ruling beyond just the Section 230 questions, including the prior restraint issue, whereby content was ordered taken offline despite the lack of a full evidentiary hearing on the merits.

Thankfully, the judge who made this clearly incorrect ruling was not re-elected, and the case was handed off to another judge who quickly righted the wrong, noting that Ripoff Report was clearly protected by Section 230 of the CDA. Perhaps even more interesting is that Paul Alan Levy, who was preparing an amicus brief for the appeal, was able to get his hands on the original transcripts of the hearing and highlights just how troubling the initial ruling was on a prior restraint basis, in that the order was not based on any findings of the likelihood of success of the original defamation claims:

The transcript of the hearing at which the original TRO against the author was adopted is particularly revealing.   The order was not based on any findings of likelihood of success that the author would be found liable on the defamation claims; everybody understood that the only objective was to facilitate an order against XCentric.  The author never conceded that she was even negligent in making her statement that Giordano was a convicted felon, not to speak of acting with actual malice as would be required for a judgment of defamation assuming that Giordano is a public figure.  Indeed, there was some suggestion that Giordano had told the author that he had previously been in trouble with the law.  So, perhaps he was a felon, just not a convicted felon?  The author apparently stood by everything else she had said about Giordano; yet the judge ordered XCentric to take the entire statement down because, the judge said, he didn't want to be involved in editing the statement. 
And this is exactly part of the problem. The judge was in such a rush to shut down the content, no effort was made to determine if there was a true legal basis for removing the content.

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    Zauber Paracelsus (profile), Feb 23rd, 2011 @ 10:29pm

    Its unfortunate how frequently judges ignore established laws and procedures in favor of their own personal beliefs and opinions.

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 23rd, 2011 @ 10:49pm

    It's OK for judges to ignore law so long as their actions favor greater censorship and the corporate agenda. But as soon as people on Techdirt argue that jury nullification should be used to ignore our broken copy'right' laws then every IP maximist will object under the pretext that the law shouldn't be ignored.

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 24th, 2011 @ 1:48am

    The simple fact is if Techdirt posted an article claiming raping small birds was bad because it led to greater copyright protection, every paytard would jump on it defending why the raping of small birds was their just right and anyone opposed to raping small birds was a paedophile.

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    Judge

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    anon, Feb 24th, 2011 @ 5:17am

    Judge Peter Adrien initially ordered the take-down. Can't flame, stupid UK laws.

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    Sheer Laziness

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    Frawgie, Feb 24th, 2011 @ 6:24am

    yet the judge ordered XCentric to take the entire statement down because, the judge said, he didn't want to be involved in editing the statement. Why? Because on of these or both: 1.) He was just too lazy to edit it 2.) He didn't want his decision to step on any toes and hurt his career. Good thing he wasn't re-elected IMO.

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    Chris in Utah (profile), Feb 24th, 2011 @ 6:27am

    Borrowed from a AC or was it? chime in if you reconiz it.

    Nice way of destroying any reasonable debate.

    Your "talk" reminds me of the abortion debate. How do you suddenly turn everything around to make the "other side" look like terrible monsters?

    Easy: Call one side "Pro-Life", and the other side "Pro-Choice". It's impossible to choose a side, because the implication is that you are either a murderer or a fascist.

    End result: People shut up, they are too afraid to take sides and become much easier to manipulate. Mission accomplished.

    Work both sides for....

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    I agree with you Ed..

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    Betty Elder, Mar 14th, 2011 @ 6:18am

    Everyone should use Ripoff.com had someone used it to post the dirt on Leslie Leland Hair-Ex she wouldn't have been able to scam me out of 200,000. She is a convicted felon has done a year in prison for fraud was on the run until they caught up with her in Atlanta, GA. She has other arrest for using other people's credit cards & she is still stealing money through a Western Union scam. She not only got me for the money but she also forged my name to purchase a Range Rover in Florida. I took out a warrant for identity theft & forgery but the Atlanta DA's office took over a year to bring it to court then to top it off she had a public defender free of charge but owns 3 businesses after over a yr the DA said they had to drop the charge cause it wasn't identity theft. I was able to get the case reopened & the DA finally decided to actually investigate the case but then called me and said the Statue Of Limitations has run out. Thank you Ripoff.com maybe I can stop her from doing it to someone else.

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    Fahq

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    Annoyed, Apr 17th, 2011 @ 12:44am

    My mentally Ill brother posted some completely false and scathing things about my mothers business on ripoffreport. He has since been convicted of cyber harassment and has a year of jail hanging over his head. Problem is, instead of putting HIS name as the author of said report, he chose to sign it as my younger brother. So, how would I go about getting rid of report?

    And what happens when you report ripoffreport? Bet they delete it.

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    Wabtching over my friends

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    Roger Rhodes, Jul 1st, 2011 @ 9:47pm

    Hello Ed I'm Roger Rhodes
    I have lots of friends that do inventions
    I want to tell them about you and your ripoffreport.com
    I take care of my friend
    Well I try to do that Ed
    Your a great man lets talk Roger Rhodes FB

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    Aaron, Sep 29th, 2011 @ 11:52am

    You cant get it taken down, and these tards at ripoff report are proud of it. I was accused of child molestation on this garbage site, and they refuse to remove it. You make any accusations you want on here, and its basically a free for all.

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    hidden adoption

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    shellyread, Oct 13th, 2011 @ 9:08am

    every parent needs education and when goverment is involved they are in your life no matter where you are when your education is being watched and denied and having negative response.i would say hidden adoption is in the air.im glad that their is place for so people can recognize the hidden adoption thing.

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    R.I.P. Dear Brother

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    Eric, Dec 17th, 2011 @ 12:20am

    My brother was a good person, did not intentionally harm anyone, and simply struggled through life like everyone else. He did not always make the right decisions, but his intentions were never evil. He had a large heart. His only flaw was that he didn't handle difficult situations very well (We are all guilty of that).

    Ex-girlfriends and ex-employees took to ripoffreport.com to get revenge.

    The posts haunted him every single day, for years. He simply couldn't move forward. He legally changed his name in 2009, in an attempt to hide from this website, but even that didn't fix it.

    He was unable to work, have a serious relationship, or move forward after these posts were made. My brother never recovered from these posts.

    After years of struggling to recover, he simply couldn't do it any longer. He took his own life on 12/14/2011 in Orlando, FL. He referenced these posts many times in his final words. These posts haunted him daily.

    I hope my reply makes people think about the damage that can be done by posting negative things on the internet about another person. Everyone has feelings, and they are real.

    My brother will be buried sometime next week.

    R.I.P. Dear Brother.

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