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   The eejit (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 6:47am

   
   

   For the cash. For corrupt fuckwits, it's always about self-benefit.

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   crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 7:28am

   
   

   I don't think we can beat the lobbyists anymore.. The canadian public has been fighting against more restrictive non stop for a decade or more, but we can't do anything about the source. The siege never ends.

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   :Lobo Santo (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 7:50am

   
   

   Oh, of course we can beat the lobbyists. Just, not at their own game. Like that old bit of wisdom goes: if winning the game is impossible, change the game.
   
   I wonder perhaps if it will take a massive rally (à la Tunisia & Egypt) to get the US Wall Street-oriented power structure turned back around to "for the people, by the people."

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   Hephaestus (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 7:59am

   
   

   "if winning the game is impossible, change the game."
   
   Thats one of my favorite methods for winning. :) Don't play by their rules.

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   Eggman, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:08am

   
   

   I must play this game by my rules
   I will conquer the world with my tools

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   Qritiqal (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:10am

   
   

   There is a simple way to beat the lobbyists:
   
   1) become informed
   2) stop buying the product and services of any companies involved with those lobbyists
   3) get everyone you know to stop buying the products and services of any companies involved with those lobbyists

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   Emil A. Georgiev, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:18am

   
   

   The lawsuit in the US went bad for isoHunt. What is the current status in Canada?

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   crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:22am

   
   

   I've been boycotting them for ages. They aren't funded by Canadians anyway.
   
   It's true their attack on their own customers has obviously got to be Kamikaze, and eventually they will die, but they are going to screw us irrevocably first.

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   Anonymous, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:25am

   
   

   So Masnick, why haven't you commented on yesterday's round of ICE seizures? Is it because none of your precious music piracy sites were targeted? Or is it because you realize these seizures are legal and you don't want another reminder about owing MusiCares $500?

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    Nice idea, but it'll never work.

    

    jilocasin, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:26am

    
    

    That's a nice idea but it'll never work.
    
    Number 1, 'become informed':
    
    Always a good idea.
    
    Number 2, 'stop buying the product and services of any companies involved with those lobbyists'
    
    First problem, unless you run off into the mountains (desert) and live an entirely self sufficient existance you can't avoid lobbiests. The only companies that don't utilize lobiests, wish they were big enough to hire a few. If you managed to only buy products from companies that don't have lobiests, they would just pass laws making it illegal _not_ to do business with them. (You think I'm joking, then you haven't been paying attention. Think Apple & appstore or Bose suing resellers.)
    
    Number 3, 'get everyone you know to stop buying the products and services of any companies involved with those lobbyists'
    
    See answer to number 2.
    
    The only way to stop lobbiests are to have our government represent the people and do what's best for the country as a whole. This would be a marked change from the current system of padding their own bank accounts.

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:36am

    
    

    If you'd like to submit a story, use the submission page rather than the comment forms.

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 8:55am

    
    

    Looks like a piece referring to the new seizures is up. Maybe you should look over the site instead of being a dickwad?

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    RD, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 9:11am

    
    

    "Or is it because you realize these seizures are legal and you don't want another reminder about owing MusiCares $500?"
    
    Why would he owe musicares $500? Show us the judgment from a court that the seizures were argued at trial and declared legal.

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 9:12am

    
    

    Heh, you're not paying attention. Like, at all. You're nothing more than an idiot. At least I live up to my name.
    
    Or are you from the Fox News ideology of news: make shit up and yell until it sinks in. 'cause it ain't working here, bud.

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    Berenerd (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 9:15am

    
    

    Honestly, perhaps he needs more than 24 hours to...you know...post anything about it? Might be researching? gathering information? Go away little boy, your mommy is calling.

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    CommonSense (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 9:31am

    
    

    Just let me know when and where... I'll be there.

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 9:59am

    
    

    Actually, Canadian copyright laws are weak, and punish non-pirating users by putting all sorts of surcharges on blank media and media devices. The situation also encourages piracy, and Canada is more and more finding itself on the outside on copyright issues.
    
    Canada is one of the biggest trading partners with the US, and I think they will realize that they sort of need to get in line with overall policy, rather than being a haven for file traders (and war deserters...)

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 10:12am

    
    

    They're not weak. Charging everyone a tax so that the3y can subsidise another nation's works is at best immoral, and at worst extortion.

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    crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 10:27am

    
    

    Actually, no, they aren't. The encourages piracy retoric is just a load of crap supported by nothing. Our levy is pretty much a non-issue altogether. There are special "music" cd's that you can pay extra for if you really want to, and having the levy supposedly allows Canadians to make personal copies of music we already have a license for (which is allowed in most other places anyway). Doesn't do anything really. Our piracy numbers aren't higher than the U.S. or anything, so I don't see why anyone would think it encourages piracy.

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 10:44am

    
    

    The best part is, when a new post does go up, ACs like this go over it with a fine-toothed comb for any tiny thing they can call an error or an omission, and then lambast Mike for not being thorough in his research

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 10:45am

    
    

    Someone's been reading the Special 301 Report...

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 10:49am

    
    

    [Citation Needed]
    
    As always.

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 15th, 2011 @ 2:00pm

    
    

    What is the opposite of discouraging piracy? Null or encouragement. If you tax the people, you create a right, a feeling of having paid the tax, so they can do what they like. Personal file trading with impunity, no nasty fair use requirements, just give it away to anyone and everyone. No issues, everyone paid the tax.
    
    It certainly isn't doing anything to lower piracy, is it? Well, possibly to re-classify file trading as not being piracy, because it's has been taxed into legal status.

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 2:22pm

    
    

    No, null is neutral. neither for nor against.
    
    And that's a very valid point - if one taxes an illegalm act, does it not, therefore, become legal? OR is that just governmental doublespeak?

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    crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 2:39pm

    
    

    You don't seem to know how the levy works. It doesn't work like that. There is no free trading with impunity. In fact giving a copy to anyone is expressly forbidden and reinforced again in the part that discusses the levy.
    
    I agree it isn't doing anything to lower piracy, as I said, it is basically useless, but thats ok, we are doing fine on that front. The DMCA, ridiculous lawsuits, 3 strikes and all that other crap isn't doing anything to lower piracy either.

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    crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 2:43pm

    
    

    Also, no one is being taxed. You only pay into the levy by choice if you buy those retarded music CD's. No one buys those, they cost more than the regular blank CDs.

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    crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 2:46pm

    
    

    According to the government, the levy is to allow us the priviledge of format shifting and making mix tapes. It's really stupid but it has nothing whatsoever to do with piracy or getting music without paying.

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    crade (profile), Feb 15th, 2011 @ 3:29pm

    
    

    Because this annoys me so much, here is the part of the copyright act that discusses limitations to the private copying exception (whole thing here http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showtdm/cs/C-42/ )
    Notice both distributing in any way for trade and communicating to the public not allowed.
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    (2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the act
    described in that subsection is done for the purpose
    of doing any of the following in relation to
    any of the things referred to in paragraphs
    (1)(a) to (c):
    (a) selling or renting out, or by way of trade
    exposing or offering for sale or rental;
    (b) distributing, whether or not for the purpose
    of trade;
    (c) communicating to the public by telecommunication;
    or
    (d) performing, or causing to be performed,
    in public.

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