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Local News Website Says You Need To Pay To Read Its Stories, Says It's Collecting Visitor IPs To Sue

from the that'll-go-over-well dept

Well, here's a fun one. Apparently, there's a local news site known as The North Country Gazette (don't click that just yet...) covering parts of upstate New York via a blog format. Rather than putting in place an actual technical paywall, the site has apparently decided to go with a paywall-by-threat model. If you visit a story on the site, it tells you that you're only allowed to view one page for free, and then they expect you to pay up:
Gotta love that Comic Sans font -- in red, no less. Anyway, if you do "abuse the privilege," apparently you come up against the following (which now appears to have been taken down, perhaps due to all of the attention):
In case you can't see/read the image, it reads:
A subscription is required at North Country Gazette. We allow only one free read per visitor. We are currently gathering IPs and computer info on persistent intruders who refuse to buy subscription and are engaging in a theft of services. We have engaged an attorney who will be doing a bulk subpoena demand on each ISP involved, particularly Verizon Droids, Frontier and Road Runner, and will then pursue individual legal actions.
Where to start? First, I love how "Verizon Droid" (a phone) is included in the list of ISPs. But, more to the point, this site seems to believe that if it just says you can only visit once without paying, and you don't, it has the right to then use your IP to sue you for "theft of services." I'd love to see how well that plays out in court.


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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:37am

    Really?

    "But, more to the point, this site seems to believe that if it just says you can only visit once without paying, and you don't, it has the right to then use your IP to sue you for "theft of services." I'd love to see how well that plays out in court."

    I wouldn't.

     

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    Chaos, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:46am

    Viral Advertisement

    Sounds to me like an attempt to get attention.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:47am

    IFRAME

    I wonder what would happen if some other site started to add invisible iframes to random pages at that site.

    Making people load pages from web sites without them knowing is laughably easy these days.

     

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    Jay (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:50am

    Alas poor North Country Gazette

    We barely knew ye. We'll pray for swift passage into the underworld. And two gold coins for Charron and your passing.

     

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    ofb2632 (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:54am

    sue me

    i just clicked on it and i hope they got my ip. I am currently very bored and would love to counter-sue for all the emotional damage this may have caused me. Now i am very afraid to click on things because i may get sued. That means when i go online, i get massive panic attacks. When i go outside and see lights that flash(esp red ones) i get post traumatic stress flashbacks and have to run back inside. If in my panic, i hurt anoyone, it is the fault of The North Country Gazette.

    Hey north country gazette, do you see how easy it is to go overboard??? If you can do it, why can't we?

    Oh, and you have to pay my rather expensive medical and legal bills also!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:56am

    is that comic sans?

    hahahahahha

    who the hell is going to take that threat seriously?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:00am

    Re: is that comic sans?

    missed the text between the graphics....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:01am

    Re: sue me

    Yep, I was just there too. The threats at the bottom of the page are making me feel ill also and I might feel the need to sue.

    This is just as ridiculous as the bowl of Halloween candy that is left on a porch, with a note to just take one - but in this case if you take more than one, the homeowner jumps out and beats a kid with a baseball bat.

    Really, if you require a subscription, then lock up your content.

     

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    a-dub (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:03am

    I cant help but think that the reason they are doing this is due to a lack of web programming skills. Its like "we dont know how to keep track of what articles a visitor has read, so lets just put up a disclaimer instead of figuring out how this WWW thing works."

    North Country Gazette == lame.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:05am

    Re: Re: sue me

    LOL! Look at the ad halfway down the right side of the page. "Win without a Lawyer!" Maybe they have been reading that scammy advice themselves.

     

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    Robert Ring (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:08am

    Re:

    Hahaha, that's exactly what I was thinking.

    Also, "Please don't abuse the privilege"? What privilege? Since they've explicitly said that no one can read their articles without paying, they haven't offered any privilege.

     

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    ComputerAddict (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:15am

    Hate to be the one to throw a wrench in that engine...

    Hate to be the one to throw a wrench in that engine... but i believe all Verizon wireless phones would be on DHCP for IP Addresses along with probably 97% of Road Runner and Frontier customers... Boy I hope your neighbor didn't visit their site before that last power outage and the modems grabbing new IPs.

    Then again if the newspaper loses power they'll probably lose all those IP's its been collecting since their web programmer probably hasn't figured out how to write the data to a file quite yet.

     

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    Pierre Wolff (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:15am

    The newspaper industry is catching up to politicians in being the largest providers of material for comic relief. It's the industry that just keeps on giving :) You really have to wonder if a dimwitted set like the folks at this pub, are really the people that should be engaging writing the news for the rest to read ;)

     

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    fugitive247 (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:16am

    Clueless Wonders

    The abject stupidity of North Country Gazette's stance is that they've practically invited all manner of assaults. It's a no-brainer that a DNS attack is likely in their immediate future. Anyone want to start a pool on anticipated timeframe? Sheesh!

     

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    Charlie Potatoes, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:19am

    Boys from the North Country

    Exactly what North Country are they from? I've always thought of our gentle neighbors to the north as relatively benign... maybe they are in the north of France.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:21am

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    that's what I got from it also. Looks like Jethro skipped the section on cookies... or ate it

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:22am

    NEWS FLASH:

    The North Country Gazette SUCKS!

    * Reading this constitutes use of services and requires payment. Please send payment to avoid legal action

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:22am

    I can see the music industry doing this:

    "Warning: By purchasing this CD, you are agreeing that you will only listen to it ONCE and ONLY ONCE. After listening to it, you must discard it and buy a new one."

    The reason?

    "Because we are entitled to get paid."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:22am

    dos attack?

    site down right now 10/26/2010 1:23pm est

     

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    fogbugzd (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:23am

    EULA

    This is nothing but an extension of the click-through EULA. They have just eliminated the click.

    On the bright side, they haven't patented eliminating the click.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:24am

    Re: dos attack?

    Ah, so that explains why they don't want people reading more than one article.

    Their servers can't handle it.

     

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:24am

    Re: EULA

    Don't give them ideas...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:25am

    Re: Re: dos attack?

    Ha Ha Ha Ha, I think you got it!

    They use a dial-up connection: 1 user at a time.

    LMAO!

     

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    iamtheky (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:29am

     

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    rabbit wise (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:29am

    Um. Wow. I only went hunting to find out where in New York this was.

    http://www.rcfp.org/news/2003/1223jmaxam.html

    She's investigative journalism's Alex Burrows.

     

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    Free Capitalist (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:31am

    Re:

    It could be a compound budget/competence failure where they intended to firewall their private html servers from the Internet but couldn't afford it, and didn't know how to pull the plug.

    That's why they ended up coding the "Get off my site and don't come back you ingrate!" message.

     

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    James Carmichael (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:32am

    Gotcha!

    By reading this sentence you agree to give me a million dollars. If you don't, I'll sue you.

    Ah, the honor system.

     

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    latin angel (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:32am

    Re: Clueless Wonders

    No need to do a DNS attack, put them on Slashdot...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:33am

    This looks like a job for Supe^H^H^H^H 4chan!

     

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    PeteProdge (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:33am

    "Fair Use is not applicable" - oh really?

    According to http://encyclopediadramatica.com/June_Maxam, she has also stated: "This article is copyright protected and Fair Use is not applicable" Oh dear, oh dear, ohdear.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:33am

    Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Look at The North Country Gazette, 2010. Went full retard, came home empty handed...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:34am

    Please don't push this button again

    This reminds me of a custom app I encountered at a place I used to work at. It had some button in the app that if you pushed it it said. "You do not have proper permissions to use this feature. Your identity has been recorded by management." (no it wasn't a joke) So after that I pressed the button every chance I got. Sadly nothing was going to come of it, the guy who wrote the app got canned which is one of the reasons I was working there. (coincidently to help replace said app).

     

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    Skip, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:37am

    North Country Gazette editor is a bat

    June Maxam has a long history of being a crazy beotch. Just another freak out there with a website and a keyboard.

     

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    adaviel (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:37am

    robots.txt at northcountrygazette.org

    Apparently there's no limit on recursively downloading the site with wget and never reading any warning. Or on reading it via Google's cache (682,000 results):

    User-agent: Googlebot
    Disallow: /axs
    Disallow: /cgi-bin/

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /cgi-bin/
    Disallow: /axs/

     

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    DS, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:42am

    Log in?

    If you click on their terms of service, they mention an account and password.... sooo.... where would I log into their page?

     

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    PeteProdge (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:42am

    She's done time in jail!

    It gets even funnier when you read all about the history of North Country Gazzette owner June Maxam...

    She's done time in the slammer, back in 2000, for harrassing people!

    "June Maxam, a longtime newspaper publisher, was convicted in December 2000 of harassing her neighbors, and was sentenced to 9-1/2 months in jail. She has filed numerous appeals in the case -- citing jury and evidence tampering -- and has long held that her arrest and conviction were in retaliation for stories she published that criticized local officials in and around Chestertown, N.Y."

    Source: http://rcfp.org/news/2003/1223jmaxam.html

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:42am

    This just gets better... has anyone looked at their "Support This Site" plea?

    We present the news and reports to you at no charge but we must ask for your help and financial support to allow us to continue to keep the website free, to pay the costs of maintaining the website and the expenses of gathering the news and reporting it to you.


    http://www.northcountrygazette.org/support-this-site/

    So - claim you do it for free, ask for donations, and ALSO claim it isn't free?

     

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    Qritiqal (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:44am

    Where's my cut?

    If this site charges for reading more than one article, but allows me to "share" articles on Facebook, do I get a cut of their revenue for helping distribute?

     

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    fugitive247 (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:46am

    Re: Re: Clueless Wonders

    True, but enough circulation of this article via re-tweets, etc. will garner the same outcome. Slashdot would only hasten the process.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:46am

    Re:

    There's probably some kind of tax loophole involved with that kind of logic.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:47am

    RPS...

    Residual Pinhead Stupidity

     

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    porkster, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:48am

    I only read part of an article

    I only read part of an article, does this mean I can have another half of an article? After all I didn't get to the bottom to read the disclaimer.

    Besides it's entrapment. The snippets on the home page invite you to (Read more...) then when you do, bing they've got you.

    Oh no, I've now read 3 articles, I'll be hiding under the bed till the FEDs come for me...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 10:48am

    I don't know if it's just because I have noscript, but I couldn't find any link to pay even if I wanted to. Maybe I'll have to snake the whole site to find it.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:00am

    Re: "Fair Use is not applicable" - oh really?

    According to http://encyclopediadramatica.com/June_Maxam, she has also stated: "This article is copyright protected and Fair Use is not applicable" Oh dear, oh dear, ohdear.

    Ahhhhhhhhhhh. I knew this site sounded familiar. We wrote about them a few years back over their crazy fair use claims:

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061024/113745.shtml

    She then threatened the people who pointed out the problems with her fair use statement by saying they were "practicing law without a license."

     

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    TheOldFart (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:03am

    It's struggling

    I got a couple of broken socket failures and one timeout before I got to the site.

    I read three stories, but my memory is so short I forgot the first two by the time I read the third one. Does that count as only consuming one story or am I going to be arrested along with the rest of you filthy criminals?

    I'll just wait right over here on the Group W bench.

     

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    Paul L (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:09am

    Interesting snippit

    I found an interesting snippet of text when you click on the "Support this site" link.

    "We present the news and reports to you at no charge but we must ask for your help and financial support to allow us to continue to keep the website free, to pay the costs of maintaining the website and the expenses of gathering the news and reporting it to you."

    So when you click the link to support them, they are then telling you the site is free and they provide access at no charge.

     

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    ofb2632 (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:10am

    Re: Re: "Fair Use is not applicable" - oh really?

    Mike,

    Look at what has happened over the last 2 years concerning 'fair use' and how things are being warped. Do you honestly think there is not a judge out there that won't agree with her now? I am absolutely sure she has a good shot with her outrageous argument if she gets a right leaning judge.

     

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    Ryan Jones, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:11am

    images blocked

    Hey Mike, whatever you're using to host images, websense (blindly installed by our corporate IT department here) has deemed worthy of being blocked.

    Can't read any of them - neither can any of the thousands of employees here.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:16am

    Why aren't you touting them for "monetizing" news aggregation?

    I like this one, supports my beliefs:
    "ERIE COUNTY—–An Erie County businessman who allegedly lied on company payroll records to receive a reduced workers’ compensation premium is under arrest."

    And I can believe that the publisher was jailed for reporting on county officials, too, from the number of "muckraking" articles that are something of a novelty these days. Two pedophiles, a nurse seeking a hit, State Senator indicted, many more. And there are numerous ads to pay for it all (only five of the ad hosts are in my hosts file).

    So except for the one (perhaps) mistake, looks to me like you should be promoting its "business model".

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:24am

    Re: Re: "Fair Use is not applicable" - oh really?

    They are really totally crazy on that site. After a few minutes of browsing I discovered:

    - They still have a letter up saying the site is free and begging for donations, despite their warnings

    - When you DO go to their "sign up" page, there is no registration form at all or even a set price. Just a Paypal payment form with a box to ender how much you are sending (this despite the fact that two tiered subscription prices are listed on the ad). I suppose you are supposed to just send them money and wait for them to contact you.

    (additionally, the ad linking to that paypal page is pushing the "NCG Daily Digest" email newsletter. I don't see anything on the site explaining how to sign up to view articles on the site itself.)


    - Their TOS goes on about registering with "AccessEach" to view the site - even though as far as I can tell no such registration system exists anywhere, and I have no idea what AccessEach is.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:28am

    Re: "Fair Use is not applicable" - oh really?

    That's one glorious write up.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:40am

    Re: Why aren't you touting them for "monetizing" news aggregation?

    And I can believe that the publisher was jailed for reporting on county officials, too, from the number of "muckraking" articles that are something of a novelty these days

    Riiight. Reposting articles from elsewhere pretending they are own is nothing to be jailed over, unless you are a nutty conspiracy theory lover.

     

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    /b/, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:43am

    all your servers are belong to us

    signed, anonymous

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 11:48am

    save money

    block every ip form your web server....
    then when someoen pays you for somehting they dont know you really have ( LOL ) then you allow that ip....

    haha funny

     

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    PRMan, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 12:13pm

    Re: Clueless Wonders

    What you're saying is that someone should forward this story to 4chan /b/?

     

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    Niall (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 12:17pm

    Re: Re:

    More like a brain loophole...

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 12:56pm

    Re: images blocked

    Hey Mike, whatever you're using to host images, websense (blindly installed by our corporate IT department here) has deemed worthy of being blocked.

    Can't read any of them - neither can any of the thousands of employees here.


    Ugh. We had been using Flickr, but the terms of service there were questionable, so we moved over to Imgur, which has become quite popular these days. I'm surprise Websense would block Imgur.

    Anyway, we're still working on a better solution, but that's annoying.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 12:59pm

    Also funny that they post "COPYRIGHT 2010 - NORTH COUNTRY GAZETTE All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the express written permission of the publisher." just below the bookmark and share link. They also allow RSS feeds from their website. Which means you can read it from RSS without actually going to the site. How do they expect to get paid for that? What morons! They can't be serious!

     

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    robin, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 1:05pm

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    damn near the best comment....ever! had to clean off the dask after that one. thx!

     

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    jsl4980 (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 1:44pm

    Considering the readers it probably works

    I have quite a few relatives in the area that the North Country Gazette serves, and most of the publication's audience doesn't have a great understanding of computers, the internet, or any applicable laws. I'm guessing that this warning may be enough to scare a few people away from their site. But it probably won't do anything to get more people to give them money.

     

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    Almost Anonymous (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 2:11pm

    Re: Re: images blocked

    Interestingly enough, our corporation uses Websense for all of it's blocking needs as well, and the images were not blocked for me. I'm guessing that each customer probably gets a "basic" blocked package (whitehouse.com anyone?) plus their own customized/requested blocks.

     

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    David Sanger (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 3:11pm

    Access granted

    Unfortunately every time I ask them for access to one of their pages using my browser they immediately agree to my request and send it to me.

    This is not my choice. They choose to respond to my request and send me the page.

    Duh.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 3:53pm

    The North Country Gazette was the only media who reported the demise of the chicken. Special.
    Still looks like a friggin wordpress blog.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 4:42pm

    403'd..

    lol

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 4:44pm

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    Even better, 403'd if you click on Mike's link

    double lol!

    She's safe from everything except the dastardly copy/past into a new tab!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 6:38pm

    Haha they changed their message...

    "A subscription is needed for your future access to The North Country Gazette. To subscribe, see the ad to the right. You are entitled to read only one article for free. If you wish to read more, a subscription is required. Please don’t be dishonest, don’t abuse the privilege"

    Sounds less threatening now :(

     

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  67.  
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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 8:55pm

    Re:

    Reading this Techdirt comment requires payment. Please send payment of $5 to me right away. If you read it a second time you must send me $10.

     

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    Craig (profile), Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:42pm

    They claim full copyright but...

    "COPYRIGHT 2010 - NORTH COUNTRY GAZETTE All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the express written permission of the publisher." - so before I click on the three links that they provide to add the post to Delicious, Meneame and Digg, I have to get their express written permission?
    I SO CONFOOSED!

    By the way, I've been 'reading' as many articles I can before boredom hits OH WAIT...boredom has arrived. :)

     

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    Name Goes Here, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 9:43pm

    Re: Re: images blocked

    I'm surprise Websense would block Imgur.

    There's a popular reddit subgroup that uses imgur to upload their sexy pictures. That could explain it.

     

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    Lisae Boucher (profile), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 5:46am

    Streisand effect?

    This site is now falling for the Streisant effect and considering the type of site that it is, it might just be exactly what they wanted! HOAX! Don't fall for it! Just wait until they actually start to take legal steps, then report about it. Because now, you're just helping the site to become more popular.

    I really think TechDirt has just fallen for some hoax... GREAT! :-)

     

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    RandomGuy (profile), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 6:35am

    Re: Streisand effect?

    It's no hoax, Maxam really is that idiodic.

    Although I must admit I did increase her hits a tad, because after reading this article I just had to read multiple pages. Even if I had to paste the URL in myself, seeing as links from Techdirt land on a 403 page.

    In other news today, I need something far more productive to spend my time doing.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 6:55am

    Re:

    how about finding all the things your supposedly supposed to pay for like http://www.northcountrygazette.org/thescoop.html or any articles posted since Sunday..

    fun

     

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    Chily8, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 7:17am

    Use a VPN

    There are a couple of problems.

    First, someone could use one of the subscription proxy services that keep no logs.

    Second, someone could use a program like Evidence Eliminator to erase any evidence from their hard disk

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 7:50am

    Let see them sue to DoD. I will now visit their site 30 time a day.

     

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    Gregg L. DesElms (profile), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 10:42am

    Oy... this should all not be taken so seriously

    Of course the story needed to be told, and so thanks, Mike, for so doing. And you're right about how silly it is, and how the paper would likely not have a foot on which to stand in court.

    But this little "newspaper" is a joke... and I don't mean just for its silly notices and threats.

    It's an ultra-conservative rag that's not only so amateurish as a rag, but is also so disconnected from how the Internet works, that's it's not even worth reading or even taking seriously as a "publication."

    It's a joke. Just ignore it.

     

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    David (profile), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 1:50pm

    Re: Re:

    Damn, I blinked twice when I read your comment - guess I owe you 15.

     

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    usotsuki, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 4:00pm

    Re: Boys from the North Country

    Apparently, from the Watertown, NY area (which happens to be the same "North Country" I grew up in, and the location I associate most with that name).

     

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    Justin Olbrantz (Quantam), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 4:05pm

    I just got this from the home page of the Gazette. Looks like the issue is moot.

    "Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access / on this server.

    Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

     

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    proxylist.co, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 4:21pm

    Can access to your site easily

    One IP address will not work.

    In fact, I can read all articles/pages using the proxy services http://proxylist.co with best proxy tool FF plugin to manage the proxies (http://proxylist.co/tools ).

     

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    Joe, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 4:56pm

    Try this

    Got a server? Check to see if the site is up:

    ab -c 40 -n 50 http://www.northcountrygazette.org/

    :)

    "n" sets the number of times to benchmark the site.
    "c" is the number of requests for each batch ("n)

     

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    Rustybadger, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 5:41pm

    Even better

    Now, every single article is "password protected". This is hilarious.

    I hope her bandwidth bills kill her.

     

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    Tim, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 5:47pm

    I'm feeling plucky today.

    I'm going to incur the wrath of North Country and repost a snippet of one their articles without their permission.

    "and"

    Come get me.

     

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    Nospam, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 5:59pm

    Fine, they can do that, but I can do THIS.

    Fine. They can do that. Me? I just added their website to my hosts file, pointing to 127.0.0.1. That way I will NEVER visit their site, even inadvertently.

    127.0.0.1 www.northcountrygazette.org
    127.0.0.1 northcountrygazette.org

    Works really well.

     

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    Philly Phil, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 6:02pm

    Baited Trap?

    This story remains me of Tricker Treating with the house that puts out the bucket of candy with a sign that says, "Please take two." Is it "two for each hand" or "two at a time" or "Please take two and if you take more than two, we are going to press charges for petty theft?"

    Moreover, a judge recently ruled in a California case (where the Facebook User Policy was violated in a successful attempt to harass a teenage girl) that there must be proof that the a site's user agreement was actually read. And, simply checking the "I agree" box doesn't count. Any judge is going to rule if you want people to pay for your product, you shouldn't give it out for free.

    Just like the people who put the bucket on the porch for tricker-treating, these guys have to expect that not everyone is going to comply with their request.

     

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    Joe, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 6:21pm

    Re: She's done time in jail!

    As dumb as she may be I wouldn't be surprised one bit if she did harass her neighbors and at the same time was not provably guilty of a crime. The system is rigged and the only way they get convictions is because of a flawed system. Things like evidence/jury tampering isn't hard to believe nor are naive jurors. If you get accused of something chances are you will be hauled off to jail bye-bye goes any chances of you being put back in society even if you are innocent. Guilt or innocence has little to do with it. It is wishful thinking that you could get a fair trial. Reality is the system just persecutes people.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 6:54pm

    I am spidering their website with wget from work as I speak! :)

     

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    PPNSteve (profile), Oct 27th, 2010 @ 7:14pm

    Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 Server at www.northcountrygazette.org Port 80 WOW, such a nice and well maintained site.

     

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    Anonymous, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 7:26pm

    Reading heaps of the same

    I cant work out if I'm allowed to read the same page over and over again in fast succession, like with wget or something.

    The EULA seems to only prohibit reading multiple pages.

     

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  89.  
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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 7:53pm

    Actually you would want to spider this:
    http://www.northcountrygazette.org/sitemap8.xml

     

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    anon, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 8:04pm

    Well, I'm hammering their articles through TOR. Catch me if you can!

     

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  91.  
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    anon, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 8:04pm

    Well, I'm hammering their articles through TOR. Catch me if you can!

     

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    Anonymous North Countryer, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 8:17pm

    The funny thing is, I actually get a 403 error when I try to visit the site. But yes over the years she has been a complete nut-job. And yes I live in the north country, where there was actually a little report on this in the local newspaper today.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 8:57pm

    Annnnd they're back.

    This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:

     

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    gregh3285, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 9:25pm

    Geesh

    The honest, good, upstanding person in me feels truly sorry that this woman must live her life in such a sad state. To go through life being bitter and mean-spirited is truly sad. My hope is that through this, somehow, she can realize that a) mean people suck and b) I've become a mean person.

    Until that time:
    $ for i in {1..100000}; do wget -r --tries=10 http://www.northcountrygazette.org/; done

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 9:26pm

    Re: Hate to be the one to throw a wrench in that engine...

    Actually, the Verizon Droids are all a many to one NAT.

     

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    james, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 9:42pm

    sites down...haha

     

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    Annoyed, Oct 27th, 2010 @ 10:47pm

    The epitome of stupidity. And they do news?

     

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    John Frank, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 12:26am

    Re: Re:

    "they intended to firewall their private html servers from the Internet but couldn't afford it"

    erm... I'm going to guess you have no idea how this Internet thing works.

     

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    Lisae Boucher (profile), Oct 28th, 2010 @ 12:57am

    First the Streisant effect, now the Titanic effect! The site just went down! Probably because they had too many visitors and thus hit the virtual iceberg of bandwidth overload. :-)

     

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    Sammy the Seal, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 2:23am

    Douchebags Inc

    Forbidden

    You don't have permission to access / on this server.

    Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
    Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 Server at www.northcountrygazette.org Port 80

     

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    Joseph A Nagy Jr (profile), Oct 28th, 2010 @ 3:55am

    Re: Really?

    Nor would I. One ruling in favor of the Gazette and it's over.

     

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    Jeff Little of Troy Ohio, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 4:12am

    Going out of business soon

    Its so sad that companies are charging from current new (which can be found elsewhere) If they where smart (which the obviously are not) they should be charging for their archives.

    This is my First (and last Visit here)

    Stupid Company

     

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    Dongleman, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 4:39am

    Try their HTTPS Port...

     

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  104.  
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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 6:21am

    The https link now just shows a "Great Success / Apache is working..." message.

    I can't believe I'm unable to read my one free article...

     

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  105.  
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    Chris, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 6:51am

    Re: Hate to be the one to throw a wrench in that engine...

    Just an FYI... most DHCP servers keep a log of what MAC Address was given which DHCP address.

    So if you say 127.0.0.1 (this is an example so I'm using one that points back to your own PC.. I know this one is not DHCP) at Oct 12th at 5:04pm this is useful info.

    Each MAC address is a network card address... and is unique to that particular network card... in that MAC addy is actually enough info to tell what make and manufacturer the network card is... and it's unique.

    So once you have an IP address & Day/Time you can get the MAC addy... that you can then look in the arp tables to see if that MAC address is in use. Which if the MAC Addy is in use you can then trace it to a switch, blade, and port on the network gear... which then you should have a cut sheet pointing to where the wire in that switch is patched to which home.

    Now... you CAN manually edit you MAC address every time you log in... but most people don't.

    I'm not saying this because I'm trying to point out you don't know all this and that I'm somehow smarter than you... it's kinda what I do for a living.. so I HAVE to know it... it doesn't make me a better person... what I am trying to say is.. "dude be careful... you are more traceable than you think..."

    Anyway... be safe man.

     

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  106.  
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    Joseph Rissler, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 8:02am

    Re: IFRAME

    I was thinking I would put URLs to articles on a bunch of cheap PPC sites.

     

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  107.  
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    Gary Stanton, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 8:17am

    My time is precious...

    I charge for my time. I'm pretty sure my hourly rate for time spent reading their articles, is much higher than the subscription cost of said articles. Therefore, I think they'll owe me money.

     

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  108.  
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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 10:55am

    Re: EULA

    Yet!

     

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  109.  
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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 10:55am

    Re: EULA

    Yet!

     

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  110.  
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    adam, Oct 28th, 2010 @ 5:32pm

    Re: Hate to be the one to throw a wrench in that engine...

    Having a dynamic IP doesn't give you anonymity, or even plausible deniability. Your ISP knows when which user had which IP address. If the newspaper sued they would request the IP logs from the ISP and then go after whoever had that IP at the moment they accessed the site.

     

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    narcissus, Oct 29th, 2010 @ 6:17am

    site down?

    Clicked the link in the article - admin prompt? =)

     

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    Poster, Oct 29th, 2010 @ 4:55pm

    Hate to really put a monkey wrench in her machine

    I am so afraid. I am in another country where US courts dont make the rules. SO SUE BEATCH!!!! (As I invariably click on another article just to make sure she gets my international IP address.

     

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    BackPackAdam (profile), Oct 29th, 2010 @ 11:52pm

    Main Page Forbidden

    The main page throws up a 403 error, but a quick google search of the entire address comes up with multiple options that work.

    For example, I've found that http://www.northcountrygazette.org/center.html works just fine and dandy.

    Does looking at the main page count as my one article view?

     

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    samu, Oct 30th, 2010 @ 4:15am

    corporations

    and corporations help ruin the internet a little bit more

     

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    foop, Oct 30th, 2010 @ 4:45am

     

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    foop, Oct 30th, 2010 @ 4:50am

    ahahahaha

    main page no longer 403ing for me (possibly because I got there via an internal link?) and one of the stories on the front page said

    "This post is password protected. To view it please enter your password below:"

    I typed "password" in the little box, and voila, the story was revealed!

     

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    foop, Oct 30th, 2010 @ 4:51am

    oh, no, whoops, actually it was just a story with a similar headline. That password didn't work.

     

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    FratBoy, Oct 30th, 2010 @ 8:27am

    This site is prime for Rick-rolling.

     

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    Drea (profile), Oct 17th, 2011 @ 12:34pm

    This is brilliant! I know I'm a year behind but I've just been threatened by June Maxam. She claims she's 'investigating' a story about Lennox, a dog seized by Belfast City Council under BSL laws. All she's doing is regurgitating info and opinions and passing them off as investigating! Oh and apparently the NCG is known the world over which is why 'they' asked her to do this. I have no idea who 'they' is and didn't want to ask her in case she charged me for the information!

     

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    Miss Kim, Nov 10th, 2011 @ 6:30am

    Threatened, two days ago ...

    June Maxam has also openly threatened, via Facebook, that I will be sued for "liable" and that I have also been reported to Facebook for "liable". Isn't it libel ???

     

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    Drea (profile), Nov 10th, 2011 @ 7:24am

    Re: Threatened, two days ago ...

    Oh she's back is she? She de-activated her Facebook page for a while after getting a lot of stick on a page about a dog taken under BSL. She was asked by the dog's owners not to use anything because she had such a lot of bad press. She then went on to threaten 'you people' for badmouthing her.

    She just trawls the internet and copies, word for word, what other sites post on their pages.

    For a journo you'd think she'd know the difference between 'libel' and 'liable'...says a lot about her really!

     

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    Drea (profile), Nov 10th, 2011 @ 7:55am

    Bless, she really is a little odd, isn't she? She doesn't get it that in the UK, the majority of online news site let you read their articles for FREE!

    "It is with regret that due to excessive usage of The North Country Gazette website which has caused numerous outages and extra costs as well abusive messages received by people who seem to believe that they should have unlimited free access and that we should work for nothing, certain articles including our extensive work on the Lennox case will now be available to subscribers only.

    This saddens us because it was our intent and still is to bring public awareness to the case as well as to the highly discriminatory breed specific legislation and unfair laws that are killing dogs in the United Kingdomand Northern Ireland simply because of the way they look. We had hoped that our efforts and work would help free Lennox and send him home where he belongs with his family and his bestest friend, little Brooke.

    In the past several days since we asked for donations to help defray the expenses of maintaining the website, only one person contributed and that person, known to us, was involved in conducting a ChipIn themselves, trying to raise money to bring their own dog home. We doubled their contribution to us and returned it to them, to help free their family pet.

    We were certainly willing to continue with our coverage of the cases and allowing free access if some contributions had been forthcoming to help with the costs. Sadly, there weren’t any. Instead, people berated us and in essence told us it was our DUTY and OBLIGATION to make the news available to them for nothing. Some of the comments became so abusive, it became necessary to disable the comment feature.

    One abusive message in particular bothered us. The woman accused us of “getting rich” from Lennox. Nothing could be further from the truth. We have incurred large expenses in opening our website to everyone instead of subscribers only, and donating our time and resources in covering the Lennox case and those of the other dogs and related issues. She seems to have a warped perception about the world and doesn’t think that the media should get paid for reporting the news. Apparently she thinks the media is an arm of the government, subsidized by the government. This isn’t Pravada. This is the United States of Americ.

    Its upsetting when there’s so much traffic from people who demand free access that it takes down the website for everyone and even I can’t access my account to post new articles or make administrative changes. Even the State of New York apparently believes that The North Country Gazette owes them free access and that they should have unlimited access at anytime they wish. It’s not gonna happen without a subscription or supporting advertising.

    Therefore, the only solution is to limit the access to stop the excessive costs and control the traffic.

    My heart goes out to the dogs—Lennox, Simba, Venus and the others who have been and are being victimized and especially their families. I sincerely hope that these dogs and the others who have not been so fortunate to have had media coverage, don’t have access to social media. Could I do it for them I would. I have tried to help those that I could. I’m extremely sorry that some individuals think big profits were realized or that our efforts weren’t sincere. 11-7-11"

     

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    CharonPDX, Dec 27th, 2012 @ 12:40pm

    And it only took two years...

    Looks like they STILL have their paywall up (in fact, they don't even allow referred connections in.)

    But every article has a tag at the bottom:

    The North Country Gazette needs your help to continue. Without your financial support, the website will not be able to continue after Jan. 1. To subscribe, see the ads to the right of this article. If you wish to donate, leave a tip in the tip jar at the site. New advertisers are always welcome. Contact NCG at news@northcountrygazette.org for more information. Thank you.

     

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    Drea, Dec 27th, 2012 @ 1:11pm

    Hmmmm, call me cynical but I fear she will still be here in the New Year. One can but hope though

     

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    Awais Qasim, Jun 11th, 2013 @ 2:44pm

    Not Possible to implement

    With all the proxy servers and VPN options available its not possible to implement a system to track who visited what and how many times...

     

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