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   PeteProdge (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 1:30am

   
   

   So, the message is...

   Actually killing people in real life = okay.
   Ficticiously killing imaginary people = bad.
   
   Thanks Liam!

    

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   Xanius, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:05am

   
   

   Political Grandstanding at it's finest.

   The real message is that it's an election year for the UK and the US and the politicians have to make some grand political show that means absolutely nothing.
   
   In the US they're up in arms to try and appear sympathetic. In the UK they just had the election in May so they have to make a show of being different than the old guys.
   
   Nobody cared about MW2 when it came out and you play as Russians and who I am assuming to be the Taliban since you are a terrorist from Afghanistan.
   
   After the release date, as long as EA doesn't back down this entire thing will blow over until some douchebag lawyer tries to bring it in to defense of an asshole that shoots a serviceman/woman.

    

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   bishboria (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:06am

   
   

   Re: So, the message is...

   Or perhaps he thinks that if gamers don't get there fill of killing from the game that they may join the armed forces instead¡

    

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   Richard (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:13am

   
   

   This won't go very far

   I wonder how Dr Fox views his own soldiers' training war-games - I'll bet anything you like that some of the participants are "playing Taliban".
   
   But then again
   
   "The government said Dr Fox was expressing a "personal view"."
   
   So I suspect this won't go far.

    

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   PaulT (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:17am

   
   

   "they have to make a show of being different than the old guys"
   
   For most things they've done, I'd agree, but this is just the same old crap again. This sort of thing happens for every major release that gets noticed by the mainstream (as per Manhunt 2, Modern Warfare 2, GTA4, etc. before it) and almost never becomes anything other than grandstanding.
   
   It will blow over, just as every manufactured controversy over movies, TV, "video nasties", etc. eventually did. I'm sure EA will be glad of the free publicity in the meantime.
   
   "Nobody cared about MW2 when it came out"
   
   Heh, didn't read the UK tabloids, did you?

    

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   Richard (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:37am

   
   

   Re: Political Grandstanding at it's finest.

   
   Nobody cared about MW2 when it came out
   Yes they did.

    

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   Tom Landry (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:47am

   
   

   as EA says, if you play Cops & Robbers, someone has to play the robber. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

    

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   Simon Chamberlain, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 2:57am

   
   

   I used to play Panzer General all the time (as the Germans, obviously). Surprisingly enough, it hasn't turned me into a Nazi.
   
   Suspect PaulT is right that it will blow over in a few weeks.

    

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   John Doe, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 4:09am

   
   

   I use to do that same thing

   I use to play a PC based game called Secrets of the Luftwaffe and I would fly the German jet and shoot down B-17 bombers. I never once felt like becoming a Nazi.

    

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 4:42am

    
    

    Something to think about it.
    
    Grandstanding is only possible because a great number of people believe in it, this may or may not be a failure of a large group of people that enable that type of behavior.

     

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    Pete Austin, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 5:20am

    
    

    It's sometimes a politician's job to say stupid things

    Personally I think this game will be played by a lot of Nato soldiers, and getting another perspective on the tactics of the opposition will save British lives.

     

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    NullOp, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 6:06am

    
    

    Wargame

    Maybe we need MORE realistic war games and hope eventually humanity will get the message that war is never a game!

     

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    Freak, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 6:11am

    
    

    Of course, if this is really a realistic game about the war in Afgahnistan, then, like the real life soldiers, you're probably going to spend most of your time killing innocent civilians no matter whose side you're on.

     

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    HuwOS, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 6:12am

    
    

    Re: It's sometimes a politician's job to say stupid things

    Maybe he is worried that the Taliban with their known love of western style entertainment, will play the game and learn from a game the methods and capabilities of the western forces lots of info that they don't have from taking them on in real life.
    
    Does no one, seriously, have any issues with making a game of an actual current conflict.
    When kids are playing cowboys and indians they aren't relating the game to actual people.
    When we play games with Nazis or Soviets as the enemy, well they aren't actually around anymore, there isn't a real conflict now.
    This is a real thing, really happening, to hell with the fact that you can play the opposing side is it not wrong to be making a game out of this in the first place.
    Is it not at the very least distasteful, disrespectful of people's lives and tacky in the extreme.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 6:48am

    
    

    I'd rather see a game where I have to kick St Peters ass to get out of heaven. Lets see that game. Heaven with it's walls and gates sounds like a prison. Lets play that. Kicking the shit out of Angels. Yea. Or maybe a game like Left Behind. Of course outright censorship is not allowed in old socialist Britain so the politicians are never happy.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 7:00am

    
    

    id say the game is a reflection of current gamer culture. the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been going on for quite a few years now and young people will have grown up with that. Not only that but the US military and to some extent the UK military regularly try to coax young gamers into the army through the use of both games (America's Army game) and through adverts on sites that gamers use.
    With news media's coverage of the conflict as being war porn at best with ever more gory images appearing on TV screens at earlier times of the day, with all the above points is it really a wonder why there would be a demand for such a game that a company would want to satiate.

     

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    Sean T Henry (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 7:23am

    
    

    Re: So, the message is...

    They are not imaginary people they are digital manifestations of the terrorist that lives inside of the players.

     

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    Xanius, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 11:37am

    
    

    Re: Re: Political Grandstanding at it's finest.

    Well, I stand corrected on the UK not caring. It never hit the US media other than the Russian opposition to the No Russian mission.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 12:31pm

    
    

    Re: Wargame

    Indeed. Will they get to do play honor killings, nose removals, chop hands, etc. too? Can girls play as the Taliban without a male relative supervising them? The more realism the better I say!

     

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    Derp, Aug 24th, 2010 @ 3:03pm

    
    

    Mass Effect 1

    This one Time EA released mass effect 1..
    
    
    oh wait

     

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    Richard (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 5:35pm

    
    

    Re: Re: It's sometimes a politician's job to say stupid things

    So... games aren't allowed to use current events as source material? There has to be some kind of time gap before they're allowed to use it? Do you apply the same restrictions to books, movies and TV as well? At that point, why not just put in blanket censorship on all current events? Or are you just hypocritical?

     

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    Richard (profile), Aug 24th, 2010 @ 5:48pm

    
    

    As people have mentioned, when you play cops and robbers, someone has to be the robber. The option available here would be to use the Americas Army trick, where no matter which side of the multi-player game you were playing, you were an American soldier, fighting against terrorists. The people you were playing against saw themselves as American soldiers too, but you saw them as terrorists. However I think most people saw this for what it was, propaganda. Which is fine, as the game was developed for and by the American armed forces. Games have for a long time let people play as "the bad guy". Usually playing as the bad guy is harder, but not always, especially in multi-player situations where you want to have 2 people competing in an even and fair manner.

     

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    ferridder (profile), Aug 25th, 2010 @ 12:44am

    
    

    Shoe on the other foot

    On Sunday, Dr Fox said that it was "shocking that someone would think it acceptable to recreate the acts of the British soldiers against the Afghan people".
    
    "At the hands of the British, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands," he said.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 25th, 2010 @ 11:38am

    
    

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    I used to play as the Russians in the Civilization games. Oddly enough, I never picked up a love for snow, vodka, or caviar.

     

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    scottM (profile), Aug 27th, 2010 @ 1:43am

    
    

    For gamers, whatever is the setting of the latest game, it doesn't matter, as long as its better than the previous release. Every gamer loves something new when it comes to online gaming. The popular video game series “Medal of Honor” has become a target of derision because of the latest installment. Previous entries in the video gaming series took place in World War II. The newest version is set in the present war in Afghanistan. In multi-player mode, gamers can be either coalition forces (United States of America, U.K., etc.) or the Taliban in “Medal of Honor 2010.” The British Secretary of Defense thinks the game should be banned.

     

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