Google Might Stop Violating 'Search Neutrality' If Anybody Knew What That Actually Meant

from the now-you're-just-making-things-up dept

Given Google's position on network neutrality, white space spectrum, competition and other topics, it's not too surprising that they've drawn the ire of the larger telecom operators like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast. All three companies have massive lobbying operations, and have been busily engaged in pressuring Uncle Sam to investigate Google on every front -- be it Google's acquisition of AdMob, or AT&T's claim that Google Voice is being used to unfairly block nuns. While companies like AT&T complain ceaselessly about how any and all government regulation is unnecessary, they're unsurprisingly trying to get more regulation applied to Google. Since at least 2007, carriers and their various policy tendrils have been trying to argue that Google should be regulated for violations of "search neutrality," though it's amusing to notice that it's now 2010, and nobody seems to know what the term even means:
"AT&T went so far as to tell the FCC that nothing it could possible do would be as worrisome as what Google was up to. "And more than any physical network provider, search engines pose concerns that the [rulemaking] identifies as a potential basis for government intervention: They 'determine the information ... that customers access online' through algorithms that highlight some information, favor certain websites, and even omit some sites altogether. As a result, they can 'deter market entry in areas that would benefit consumers and damage[e] potential entrants.' Just as search engines dominate the selection of winners and losers on the Internet, one search engine in particular -- Google's -- dominates the search engine market."

"Search neutrality" is an absurd notion, given that search algorithms by their very nature aren't neutral, and the entire purpose of search is to discriminate and point the user toward more pertinent results. Meanwhile, Google became a market leader by being good at what they do. Users have other options available if they feel that isn't the case, or if they find that Google is suddenly discriminating in terms of search results -- so Google can very quickly be punished should they begin to engage in ranking skulduggery. A company like AT&T, meanwhile, holds a physical monopoly in many markets -- leaving consumers with little to no option should AT&T choose to engage in anti-competitive behavior.

Search neutrality at its core is a term created by companies eager to bog Google down in bad regulation -- the same kind of bad regulation companies like AT&T believe Google is foisting upon them in the network neutrality debate. The difference, again, is that Google's customers can vote with their wallet, while most broadband customers have few if any alternatives (which is why we argue that tackling competition should take priority). Meanwhile, ISPs repeatedly insist that network neutrality rules aren't necessary because there's no evidence of ISP foul play -- yet here they are -- pushing for nebulous regulations without providing evidence of Google abuse (aside from a few people whining late last year that they weren't ranked high enough for their liking).

All of this simply highlights how the entire network neutrality debate has been so polluted by lobbyist, lawyer and think tank nonsense and hypocrisy (on all sides) -- that it has just completely degraded into incoherent rhetoric. Whatever you think of the need for neutrality regulation, it's important to remember the network neutrality debate truly took off in 2005, with AT&T telling Google they wanted to charge content companies already paying for bandwidth an extra toll -- just because. AT&T was loudly and clearly told by Internet users that this was idiotic idea -- though the conversation seems to have gone completely downhill from there in terms of actually making sense.



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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 10:29am

    Why it won't happen

    3 letters form two organizations

    FBI
    CIA

    think about it hard ...its all smoke and mirrors....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 10:37am

    Google should be forced to be neutral in search. It should just return an alphabetical list of every webpage it indexes for any search term entered. After all, why should a page that has nothing to do with what the person is looking for be discriminated against by Google?

     

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    P3T3R5ON (profile), May 7th, 2010 @ 10:57am

    last time i checked

    The last time I checked you weren't required to use Google to use the internet.

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for Google ruling the world... I just don't want idiots getting in the way of that happening.

     

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    NAMELESS ONE, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:02am

    agreed

    time to start saying
    WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO
    I am an adult , i am able to make reasoned choices
    GET OFF MY FUCKING LAWN

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:03am

    I'm lost. what does this mean? You can go to Google and if you don't like Google Results, it can send your query to other good search engines such as Excite.com, Ask.com or Lycos.com?

    That's great! I need something to replace New Bing (which is like "New Coke") with.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:06am

    I'm lost. But what does this really mean? Does it mean a user can go to Google and if you don't like Google Results, it can send your query to other good search engines such as Excite.com, Ask.com or Lycos.com?

    That's great! I need something to replace New Bing (which is like "New Coke") with.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:11am

    I eagerly await TAM's bizarre, other-worldly comment regarding agenda-pushing. I might even make a drinking game out of it.

    * Every time TAM makes a fact-free argument, drink
    * Every time TAM employs a hilariously illogical non sequitur, drink
    * If TAM employs a strawman in the same sentence, take a shot
    * If he ever refers to "The Masnick", finish your drink

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:23am

    That game would result in severe alcohol poisoning.

     

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    Edoardo, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:25am

    Agreed

    I can't count how many time I have wanted to change carriers/providers here in San Francisco only to realize I have no choice in the matter. Phone - AT&T / TV Comcast or AT&T unless I want to get Satellite and pay more for local channels. The local companies price gauge and have horrible services that are slow and crap compared to other services.
    We have been waiting for Verizon FIOS forever in San Francisco and probably won't EVER get it because of the Monopoly these companies hold on this city.....its F***** ridiculous.

    This forcing Google to be neutral thing is retarded and just trying to muddy the waters as to hide their own horrible practices!!!!!!

    Now I'm getting flustered and I must stop commenting

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 11:31am

    "I eagerly await TAM's bizarre, other-worldly comment regarding agenda-pushing. I might even make a drinking game out of it."


    Why does that matter? Is this a challenge for him to post so you can see if your comment moderation thingy works?

    Besides, he's at Don Rickles Birthday Cruise this weekend.

    Have a safe one!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 4:31pm

    Re: Why it won't happen

    Except there are 5 letters there, so 3 letters only form one organization. Need 2 more for the second.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 4:32pm

    Google ...

    Google should violate this "search neutrality" concept by returning stories and articles about AT&T, Verizon, and their peers that highlights how evil they are

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 7th, 2010 @ 4:33pm

    Re: agreed

    Don't forget to wave your cane and stick out your lower plate, too.

     

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    Karl Bode (profile), May 7th, 2010 @ 5:04pm

    Re: Re: agreed

    Damn kids today.... :)

     

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    Karl Bode (profile), May 7th, 2010 @ 5:08pm

    Re: last time i checked

    "The last time I checked you weren't required to use Google to use the internet."

    I believe you're on to something there.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 9th, 2010 @ 1:44am

    What I find really funny about this whole "search neutrality" idea is that one of the reasons Google got to be top dog in the search engine market was the fact that they were neutral in the first place. And what I mean is that their top search results were generated by algorithms while the competition freely mixed "sponsored" links at the top of their searches. Which is at its core exactly what AT&T &co. are trying to get away with at the moment.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 9th, 2010 @ 5:38pm

    Karl defending Google once again. He seems to make a habit of that.

     

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    JR, May 11th, 2010 @ 11:48am

    Google Searches

    Google does, in fact, engage in some pretty unethical business practices relating to searches. For instance, MySpace and News Coporation contacted Google to make newspaper articles non-searchable that were related to a significant lawsuit naming them as Defendants. These articles were also blocked for searches under the Plaintiff's name. More interestingly, Google had these searches counting backwards after the counts began to surge when the case was appealed. Google does not act "neutral" all the time.

     

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