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   Anony1, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 2:51pm

   
   

   I'm predicting that The Anti-Mike will say this is good.
   Why you ask? Well, if you would indulge a for a momement a small *off-topic rant* please read the following:
   
   
   
   "tickets which stop something bad for society (speeding a school zone, example) are good by nature, as they help to make us all generally safer. The idea of a fine (or any punishment) is to bring the offender back into the society norm. So the goal of writing ticket where tickets are merited is good." Posted by The Anti-Mike on Feb 5th, 2010 @ 2:58pm Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Culture?
   
   
   Now, observe what was posted by the same user less than 1/2 HOUR PRIOR that same day:
   
   "Example, where I live the local police force has added a whole task force for "public safety". It is pure horseshit, they are just the ticket writers. They hide behind buildings and in bushes, pulling people over for speeding, burned out tail lights, failing to signal a lane change, and all sort so other minor offenses"
   
   
   So, in other words, it's good if it happens to someone else.
   If it happens to HIM however, it is bad. Since this only effects Google, TAM will no doubt pronounce this as good, IMHO.
   
   YOU DAMN HYPOCRITIC TAKE THAT.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 2:52pm

   
   

   Did Ed ever work for the IRS? They are the kings of double dipping.

    

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   Modplan (profile), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 3:04pm

   
   

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   That might be an issue with implementation, not overall idea or principle.
   
   I'll give him a chance with that one.

    

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   :Lobo Santo (profile), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 3:49pm

   
   

   Obligatory Reference:

   "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

    

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   Big Mook, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 3:53pm

   
   

   Make mine a double, please!

   I can haz double cheezburgr?

    

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   :), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 4:16pm

   
   

   Peering

   Just do what others did before.
   
   One operator in Europe thought that some big company(no names) should pay up, that big company said ok and made sure all the traffic from that provider passed through the most expensive route available, 1 month later a peer agreement was signed.

    

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   :), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 4:31pm

   
   

   Peering

   In practice, it is actually quite likely that the ISP side of an ISP-YouTube relationship would see the greatest savings both in absolute costs and as a percentage of total traffic costs. Most ISPs have less traffic (and buy less transit) than YouTube and its parent Google have. Their buying power therefore is less than that of YouTube/Google, so their price per Mbps/month for transit is likely to be higher. Given that the amount of traffic saved from transit is by definition equal for both YouTube and the ISP, it follows that the ISP is saving more money.

   
   
   http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/09/peering-and-transit.ars/

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 4:48pm

   
   

   The internet IS NOT a dump truck.... it is a series of tubes ... the tubes are clogging up ... Google is killing the tubes ... and the newspapers ... and the music industry ... Google must pay!!

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 5:30pm

   
   

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   Just ask someone to send you an internet. It might take a few days to get to you though.

    

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    gp, Feb 9th, 2010 @ 6:33pm

    
    

    I will also charge google, twitter, facebook... they are consuming my bandwith, that i am paying to an isp... this is a good example of a capitalistic crusted monopolistic mediocrity... some operators searching for revenues without own products or ideas making arrangements against the network freedom and attacking the WWW... by the way its worse as the chinese censorship or an hacker attack because they have too much authority due to their monopoly... they are not controlled and regulated... but you can solve it with money ... thats the difference ?!!! BAD Weahhhhhh... I love you google & WWW & freedom !!!

     

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    TW Burger (profile), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 6:34pm

    
    

    Just cut them off

    Google should simply agree and cut off access for any server Telefonica operates. Telefonica should agree to STFU about 2 hours/20,000 complaints later.

     

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    TW Burger (profile), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 6:58pm

    
    

    Re: Bad Things to others = Fun

    The joy of the misery of others is universal. The Germans call it schadenfreude and consider it a universal character flaw. The Russians consider it human nature and is very well expressed in a classic Russian joke:
    
    A reporter from Moscow is sent on assignment to travel the country and write an article on "What is most wanted deep in the soul of a typical Russian?". One day the reporter is driving through the country and stops when he sees a farmer working in his field near the road. The reporter asks the farmer to tell him what he wants the most, deep down is his soul. "Well," says the farmer. "I want three things: First I want peace and love throughout the world. Second, I want health and prosperity for all mankind." The reporter writes this down with glowing admiration of the man. "And what is the third thing?" asks the reporter in anticipation of a great revelation for his story. "Thirdly, and most of all..." says the farmer with great resolve, "I want my neighbors cow to die."

     

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    TW Burger (profile), Feb 9th, 2010 @ 7:10pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Bad Things to others = Fun

    It could be argued that the "Russian Soul" story reflects a hatred of anyone else's prosperity, no matter how basic and minor rather than joy in another's sorrow. But, I really like the joke.

     

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    Glenn, Feb 10th, 2010 @ 4:40am

    
    

    Dear Cesar:

    What, exactly, do you think your customers are paying you for? Access to "your" network? You sell "Internet" access, right? That is what your customers are paying for, isn't it? And is Google one of your customers? Does Google initiate a connection with any of your customers?
    You so funny!

     

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    afraidofevil, Feb 10th, 2010 @ 5:03am

    
    

    Check your facts about what they pay in total / Mbps

    [bquote]His explanation was that Google and Yahoo and others were "reaching" his customer's for free. This is, of course, wrong. Very, very wrong.[/bquote] The author is ill informed. Google as peering arangements with many ISPs. The interesting things is Google struck many of those arrangements when traffic was balanced before YouTube and the mass video they are rolling out. ISPs cannot cancel the peering arrangements as Google will make the traffic come in at the most painful point of the ISPs network costing them $$ or customers. This is devilishly smart on Googles side as they have shifted all their bandwidth cost growth to the ISPs and their customers. [bquote]Google is not getting anything for free. It pays (and pays a boatload) for its bandwidth[/bquote] This author has NO IDEA what they are talking about. Google generates traffic mostly in a single direction and only carries a few meters from their CDN to their peers. They pay very little and usually nothing, relative to their traffic volumes

     

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    Skippy, Feb 10th, 2010 @ 9:25am

    
    

    Re: Check your facts about what they pay in total / Mbps

    Google is a public company moron, check their publicly filed papers and you will see they pay millions for bandwidth.

     

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    BearGriz72 (profile), Feb 11th, 2010 @ 8:34pm

    
    

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    Note: Over 48 Hrs and no response from TAM

     

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    Pablo (profile), Feb 19th, 2010 @ 6:42am

    
    

    Re: Re: Check your facts about what they pay in total / Mbps

    I'm not familiar with Google accounting but could it be that those charges are for what they pay to have their own network infrastructure and not for Internet access fees to an upstream provider?
    
    According to the info you can get telnetting to route-views.oregon-ix.net Google is connected to about 27 different ISPs? Do you think they are paying all of them? Would it not make it more sense to force peering relationships like afraidofevil has suggested?

     

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