Man Sues Neighbor For Not Turning Off WiFi And Cell Phone

from the science? dept

For years, we've heard of people freaking out about WiFi or mobile phones, claiming they have "electromagnetic sensitivity" to those things. The only problem is that in double-blind tests, there is no evidence that any sensitivity is due to electromagnetic waves. And yet, people keep insisting it must be true. In the latest extreme case, a guy in Santa Fe is suing his neighbor for not turning off his WiFi or mobile phone, saying that it caused him to become homeless:
Firstenberg "cannot stay in a hotel, because hotels and motels all employ wi-fi connections, which trigger a severe illness," says the request for a preliminary injunction. "If (Firstenberg) cannot obtain preliminary relief, he will be forced to continue to sleep in his car, enduring winter cold and discomfort, until this case can be heard."


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    Brian (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:28pm

    Why can't we go back to the old way of doing things? Where morons like this are taken out back and beaten. The guy is clearly a moron who is doing this either for attention or because he has no grasp on the difference between truth and scare tactic hogwash the media spews out. Perhaps he watched one of those videos from the UK where people sell anti-wifi hats or whatever they are.

     

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      bigpicture, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:41pm

      Re: anti-wifi hats?

      You mean the tinfoil hats? Protects against all those things including alien mind control?

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:07pm

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      Tell the moron that you turned off the devices.

       

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        Chargone (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 10:20pm

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        This could actually work. if it's actually the wifi etc, and tests have proven that that doesn't actually cause anything at all, and he's actually suffering, then it's probably psychological. ... of course, he could then probably sue whoever it is who made a big deal about it in the first place... America's silly like that.

        (nevermind the possibility of comparatively rare sensitivities, the suffers of which don't make it into the tests. such things can occasionally happen, one would guess)

        alternatively, maybe he's got a Cunning Plan.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:25am

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          I wonder if he has heard about myfi yet? People are walking hot spots.

           

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          Jon B., Jan 10th, 2010 @ 1:13pm

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          Of everyone I've ever heard of claiming a sensitivity to EM waves or EM fields, it would take a hell of a lot more than a cell phone and a wireless router to trigger it. Maybe living 100 yds from a cell tower ... MAYBE. But even the people that actually claim some sort of sensitivity don't claim that it's THAT sensitive.

           

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      Faraday, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 5:10am

      Re: Build a Faraday cage!

      Why sue only his neighbor? why not shut off all radio and cell stations in the city? (oh yeah! - microwave ovens too!)

      If this man claims to have such sensitivity, he must build a faraday cage, and live in there.

       

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      Tim Sokol, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 5:31am

      Re: Morons

      Although the moron who thought to actually sue some one for their Wi-Fi and cell phone needs to be taken out and beaten, let us not forget the lawyer(s) who both take these types of cases and encourage this type of behavior.

      We have all see lying, cheating and stealing attorneys at law on TV and know that you can sue someone somewhere for just about anything. Once upon a time the law was a mechanism to bring the unjust to justice and write those who have been wronged.

      Now it is riddled with morons trying to find new ways to bilk money out of someone or some company and a host of unscrupulous vultures ready to help make it happen.

      So when you take the moron who drums up a case like this out back to be beaten, make sure you take his attorney with him as they both need a few good lashes.

       

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        Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:23am

        Re: Re: Morons

        "Once upon a time the law was a mechanism to bring the unjust to justice and write those who have been wronged."

        In what country. I'd like to move there.

         

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      EVIL_BASTARD, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 9:04am

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      I agree, a ass kicking would probably straighten him right out. -- At the very least, the rest of us would feel better, and in the end, isn't that what really matters?.

       

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      bugmenot (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 8:12pm

      Re: Media Hogwash Scare Tactics

      in a world where an atmospheric trace gas, one also produced by all animal respiration ever since animals evolved on this planet, is now widely believed to be a *pollutant* - why would anyone be surprised by pseudo-scientific "Media Hogwash Scare Tactics?"

       

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    John Strickland, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:51pm

    Proven to be BS...

    Why not just disable Wifi broadcasting and tell the neighbor that his cell phone is on airplane mode.

    It's not like the looney can tell if it is on or not.

     

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      The Trekkie, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 9:48am

      Re: Proven to be BS...

      My thought exactly, just pretend to act all concerned about it and go through this big show of shutting everything down, then pretend that you're keeping it all off on his behalf whenever you talk to him. I mean granted you shouldn't have to but sometimes it's not really worth it to argue with a crazy.

       

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      Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:26am

      Re: Proven to be BS...

      If he's this obsessed he might have a scanner seeking out "deadly" radio waves. I'd bet he's half luddite and half geek, so you can't assume he avoids all tech.

       

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    zcat (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:58pm

    With any luck the silly prick will develop alzheimers while sleeping in his car and then we can have a really good laugh about it.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/07/mobile_alzheimer/

    on a serious note; this represents the first study that proves cellphone RF _CAN_ have some effect on brain activity. The fact that it's a beneficial effect in this particular study is somewhat irrelevant. It means to some extent that the nutcases were right, and just because we didn't have evidence of any effect before did not mean that there was no effect...

     

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    The Anti Mike, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:22pm

    Pssh, double-blind tests are useless. I can sense EM waves with my mind and only a triple-blind test will prove me wrong!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:07pm

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      eh... I can sense EMR with my eyes + skin... it's called visible light and Infrared, I can detect High energy rays with my whole body by developing cancer or radiation sickness.

       

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      guet, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:40am

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      you mean the WiFi API can't know if it is transmitting or not?

       

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    davebarnes (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:27pm

    Better yet

    "Why can't we go back to the old way of doing things? Where morons like this are taken out back and beaten."

    Stalin had an even better answer. Shot in the back of head. Where is your Wi-Fi problem now?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:29pm

    Why is he on Earth's surface?

    So I guess this guy had better stay off the SURFACE OF THE EARTH. Or does he not know the Sun gives off tons of electromagnetic waves every second of every day and you need to be miles underground to not experience them?

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:18am

      Re: Why is he on Earth's surface?

      Or he can keep himself in an area where it's always night time. He can move to the north poll when it's winter there and move to the south poll when it's winter there. Still, he might experience light from the moon. Light bulbs also put out radiation and so do candles so he'll have to live in the dark. Oh, and there are the stars as well.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:46am

      Re: Why is he on Earth's surface?

      It would be useless to go underground to get away from the, the earth itself radiates... alot.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:30pm

    About electromagnetic sensitivity

    About a year back I needed to get a diagnostic MRI.

    While I was in there and MRI was operating I could actually feel the magnetic field switching. It was a very weird sensation, kinda like a nerve twitch/fast muscle contraction in my abdomen and arm. It was very disconcerting, but not at all painful.

    I told the operator about it and she said "yeah, apparently some people can feel it, it's very rare though" and didn't seem concerned about it. I asked how that's possible and she had no idea.

    Note that this is just a personal anecdote and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether a person can be sensitive to wifi. In particular, an MRI produces a *very* powerful magnetic field and directs it at the subject, whereas a wifi signal is low-power and indirect. I'm not saying the plaintiff in this case must be telling the truth, but I am saying that electromagnetic radiation can affect people in visceral ways because I've had that happen to me.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:34pm

      Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

      OK, the magnetic field you experienced was on the order of 3 Tesla. That's freaking huge. I mean, huge. Like, so big it's fucking crazy.

      To put that in comparison, the Earth's magnetic field is 60 microtesla. That's 5 orders of magnitude difference.

      Anyway, the field inside your MRI is nowhere near the strength of a cell phone or wireless router. You could swallow both the cell phone and wireless router and the magnetic flux through you would still be less than the MRI machine.

       

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      Pjerky (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:52pm

      Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

      Actually I believe that it is possible that this guy may feel the EM/RF fields in some way. I have a friend that used to get nasty headaches every time she held her cell phone up to her head to use it.

      She still wanted to use it and try to work around her physical reaction to it so she started looking for something to help shield her head from the device. She found this little plastic shield thing that had something embedded in it that would shield her from the fields and since she started using it she hasn't had a problem.

      It is possible that this was psychological, but it took her a while to determine that her headaches were caused by her phone. So it may not be. None the less, I think we know too little about the human brain and the effects things have on it to really know for sure. It is possible that people with the extreme sensitivity to the fields are very very rare and none ended up in that double-blind study.

      All I know is I am open to the possibility. But I think this guy may be over-reacting a bit. He should look for a more diplomatic solution because he is going to run into these problems wherever he goes these days. Course, given that thought it is more than likely the guy is being a hypochondriac.

       

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      gojomo (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:50pm

      Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

      Re: anonymous #7's MRI anecdote

      Some disorders cause iron to collect in the body, especially the liver. I have no idea if the levels involved could explain feeling an MRI, but that's something I would learn about -- and even get checked for -- if I were in your situation, tangibly sensitive to magnetic fields others can't feel (regardless of the MRI tech's nonchalance). Look up [hemochromatosis] for more info.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:29am

      Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

      Electromagnetic waves, such as microwaves, light, ultraviolet, and radio waves are different than a magnetic field which is created by a MRI. They are not the same thing. You being able to feel the magnetic field of the MRI does not mean that you or anyone else could feel any type of electromagnetic wave the comes from wifi

       

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      SuperSparky, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 6:52pm

      Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

      An MRI has an extremely strong magnetic field to accomplish its purpose. Many thousands of times more powerful than any WIFI or cell phone device.

      The sun puts off more EM radiation than anything here on Earth. Heck, satellites are always beaming radio waves down on us since Sputnik. TV and Radio stations have a much higher output than your WIFI or phone.

      When I used to live in Dallas, I could feel the build up to a lightning strike. I do remember this release of energy is what, 1.21 Gigawatts of energy and I only sensed it a mere second or two before it hit.

      Hypochondriac is what that nut job is.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:01pm

    OMGWTFBBQ he should DIAF! While I'm sure he is an attention whore. The burden of proof is on him. I wonder if the guy being sued has any anti-slapp laws in his state to send this idiot a message.

     

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    The Anti-Mike (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:05pm

    tin foil. tin foil can fix it.

     

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    TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:08pm

    I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    See, electromagnetic waves bounce of objects, and then I can use them to pinpoint said objects using a pair of highly specialized organs.

     

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      TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:08pm

      Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

      *Off of objects, heh.

       

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      TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:09pm

      Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

      I'm also sensitive to "electromagnetic" radiation. ;P

       

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      The Mighty Buzzard, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:20pm

      Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

      Same here and it makes my skin turn red if I expose it to too much.

       

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        Derrick, Sep 20th, 2012 @ 2:45pm

        Re: Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

        There is a legit condition known as Photo-sensitivity. It's the same thing. wifi is just sunlight at a different wavelength/amplitude. Ill bet you dont tan very good either. Normal people would burn in the same way if they put thier hand in a microwave oven or stand in front of a satalite internet dish for too long. (high power microwaves are the same thing as wifi just a different wavelength and amplitude)

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:10pm

    Wth

    I support turning this guy into plant food.

     

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    Lee, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:31pm

    Too much time and money

    Just another trust-fund baby in Santa Fe, with too much time and money on his hands. Probably migrated (kicked out?) from the fruit and nut crowd on the West Coast.

     

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    jack, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:15pm

    hook up a router in his basement and set it to brodcast the same network name and turn yours off for a day so you can prove hes jsut a gold digger

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:56pm

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      Actually, I would assume Mr. Genius is catching his neighbor with his router on by using his computer (probably a netbook for the mentally challenged) to scan for local networks.

      Sure he's not worried about all the radiation he puts on top of his sack, but he's going to raise hell and raise money by using his uber top secret future computer to sense when there are and aren't WiFi signals penetrating his walls!

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:20pm

    Even IF wireless radiation caused damage...

    There's no reason the guy had to move out. Assuming that he had to live somewhere without any electromagnetic radiation, it's simple enough to build a Faraday cage within/around your home. All you need is a few hundred square feet of metal mesh, and it will completely block wireless signals.

    Seriously.

     

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    microwave, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:49pm

    seems silly since the wifi range is so vary close to the microwave ovens you use daily to warm your food.
    wifi under 5watt commercial under 1watt consumer. microwave greater than 600+watts. and yes they do leak just get a meter on one sometime that would be a good reason for this guy but not wifi.. don't park anywhere near any working microwaves moron

     

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      kryptonianjorel (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 10:30pm

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      Isn't it funny that they can only sense 850/900 MHZ 1800/1900 MHZ, 2400 MHZ, and 5800 MHZ? aka Cell phone bands and wifi bands? I mean, not a khz is wasted in the radio frequency allocation, and these people only only react to the frequencies we so irresponsibly selected for the most popular devices of the day?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:52pm

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        I bet if you put a laser pointer on his hand he'll sue you for [annoying him] trying to give him skin cancer...

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:11pm

    I agree with AC #21. let him sleep in a Faraday cage, (although that would create its own field), it would be interesting to see if it fixes his problem. Although I would imagine if its that much of a problem, he could move to Wyoming or Alaska. somewhere with no people to sue. to live in the woods, and eat sticks and berries.

     

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    Burgos, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:32am

    Just give the guy a sugar pill and tell him that it's anti-radiation medicine.

     

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    Griff (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:54am

    Safer nearer a mast

    Phones transmit at greater power when they are further from a mast.

    Unless you are right under the mast, the field from your phone is stronger locally to you than the field from the mast.
    Similarly, if you are surrounded by nearby people carrying mobile phones (as you are anywhere these days) you will probably experience less field if you stand nearer the mast.

    So the crazy guy in this story needs to move nearer a mast, for his health.

    Legally, if his medical claims were proven true it would not just be the guy he's suing who'd need to desist. Better surely to protect the victim with foil than try and stop ALL external sources.


    I remember when I was at college, a local resident used to complain about the noise of the student disco if they went 2 mins past their 1am licensed end time. One night we left the disco lights running until 1:30 but turned off all the sound (witnessed by the appropriate authorities).
    Sure enough, got a complaint. They never managed to locdge a complaint.

     

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      Richard (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 8:52am

      Re: Safer nearer a mast

      I remember when I was at college, a local resident used to complain about the noise of the student disco if they went 2 mins past their 1am licensed end time. One night we left the disco lights running until 1:30 but turned off all the sound (witnessed by the appropriate authorities).
      Sure enough, got a complaint.


      Reminds me of the time when my model aircraft club received a noise complaint - when they were flying gliders...

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:25am

    Dee Dee Dee, What a Moron!

    If he wins though, I feel a sudden onset of the same ailment.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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    Allen (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 3:31am

    So many harsh comments about some poor soul clearly suffering from a real medical condition. He needs a psychiatrist, not a lawyer.

     

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      cc, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 6:31am

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      Yeah, I hear nuthouses don't have wifi.

      Seriously, though. This seems like a strange phobia of some sort, and the man needs help. Hopefully the courts will be sensitive to that, and will find a way to help him.

       

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      OldGeek, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:23pm

      Re: Unreal

      I agree with Allen, this guy needs some serious professional help and some money grubbing lawyer has him suing his neighbor!!!!!!!!!! Then I read the comments on here and understand why the majority of the mental cases are homeless.
      All they are to society is a way of making money, no one even sees them as people anymore. The list of comments on this story are the most uncivilized I've seen yet!

       

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      Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:36am

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      The comments would probably be a lot more sympathetic if he wasn't trying to "cure" his condition by lawsuit. Stupid self-serving aggression tends to get an equal and opposite reaction.

       

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    Andrew D. Todd, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 4:35am

    The Old, Old Story

    If you look at the original newspaper story, it seems that the neighbor is a woman, a Frenchwoman, apparently separated from her husband. The plaintiff went out of his way to do her favors-- and then suddenly turned hostile, for no discernible reason. Does anyone really need to ask what happened?

    Apropos of nothing at all, it is understandable that a girl who has no experience dealing with paranoids might be initially flattered by the inordinate attention, before realizing that someone was too creepy to sleep with, and that when she was forced to tell someone that he was not her lord and master, there might be a bit of a contretemps.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:12am

    Someone better not give this guy a compass. He probably would sue all of Earth for having a magnetic field.

     

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    transmaster (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:22am

    What a total crock of crap

    ah yes this law suit brought to you by the author of the best selling book, 50 Ways to Get Admitted Into a Hospital and Still Get a Regular Tray. So the loon doesn't pay his rent, or is so obnoxious the landlord gives him the heave-hoe. He so disruptive in the homeless shelters he is kicked out there as well. These are the people they used to ship off to Mental health domiciles where they could get the three hots and a cot they really wanted, the drugs where bad but at least they where free, Oh wow man. Thanks ACLU. ;) Now the poor guy has to blame WiFi and Cellphones to get the food and shelter he wants, because he is an eco freak as well as a Wifi loon the car he is trying to live in to to small for him the stretch out in so he is getting back pains. Oh The Humanity"!

     

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    Sergio, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:47am

    Evolution

    I don't believe people have sensitivity to this stuff, but, either way, it seems our species has an opportunity to evolve here. All these dumbasses will be too irritating to mate with.

     

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    Palmyra (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 8:16am

    Aluminum Foil Hat will save the day! NT

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:28am

    Faraday cage

    The man should get sued for not taking proper precautions and building a faraday cage around his house. Surround him and his house with a copper wire mesh and be done with it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:10am

    I guess all the radio stations, TV stations, cordless phones, satellite radio and TV, police and emergency radio signals were bearable. The WI-FI and cell phone put him over the edge. I guess he needs to sue all of these organizations. Guess the FCC has been sleeping all this time.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:17am

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      "I guess all the radio stations, TV stations, cordless phones, satellite radio and TV, police and emergency radio signals were bearable. The WI-FI and cell phone put him over the edge."

      I think you're onto something. Or maybe he just hasn't gotten around to suing everyone else. Perhaps he can sue the sun as well, since the sun releases all sorts of radiation too.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:59am

    Finally! A return to natural selection. It seems that human beings have have stepped pretty far out of the classic examples of natural selection. But now with dramatic technological advances, those who can not tolerate them will die off, not pro create and we will be left with super electromagnetic resistant people.

    Yay natural selection!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:21am

    This is merely to note that for all we know this individual may be blowing smoke, I am aware (but do not have the cite at hand) of at least one international study by medical researches in the US, Japan, and (I seem to recall) the UK that there are some people who do appear to experience physiological reactions under circustances such as this and that their reactions are not psychosomatic.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:32am

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      This part of the problem... I am not saying you are wrong, however the infamous "study I can't cite" is part of the reason why bad information is spread. Cite the study or don't post about it...

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:26pm

        Re: Re:

        I merely made mention of one study suggesting, but certainly not declaring, that they may be a causal link in the case of a very small number of the population.

        http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html

        While I would never city a wiki as anything more that a general discussion of matters, there is one wiki that touches upon the subject matter of sensitity to electromagnetic raidiation:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

        The human body is in part a complex electronic circuit, and it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that some people just might have negative interactions with external electromagnetic radiation that are not experienced by the populous at large.

        Once again, this individual may be blowing smoke and working a personal agenda, but this alone is an insufficient basis to definitively opine that all persons who may claim to have electromagnetic sensitivity are blowing smoke as well.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:30pm

        Re: Re:

        "Cite the study or don't post about it..."

        Don't tell others what to do. He can post if he wants, even if he can't remember the study.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:32pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          (BTw, I do realize that I am telling you what to do by telling you not to tell others what to do).

           

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      Paul`, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:31pm

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      there have been far more to the contrary.

       

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    A Physicist, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:26am

    I feel sorry

    How does this guy live before Wifi and cellphones?! I mean it's not like electromagnetic radiation is passing through us every second in a whole myriad of frequencies. Oh wait...

    Shiat.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:59am

    Weather

    Seriously, If I lived in Santa Fe, I wouldn't need a home. Cold weather my butt!!! Try living where it is -20 Celcius 6-9 months out of the year.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:02pm

    Yeah... I agree... Tin foil... Not only will it block the RF waves, it will keep the government and the alien from using their thought monitors!

    They also make swell hats!

     

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    transmaster (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:02pm

    The SubGenius Hour of Slack

    You don't suppose Arthur Firstenberg listens to The Subgenius Hour of Slack and he thinks the "pinks" who, as we all, know front the Space aliens, and "The Conspiracy" are using WiFi and cellphones to control his mind. P.S. I have listened to the Hour of Slack on and off since the early 1980's and I am here to tell you it is! the most bizarrely strange and funny radio show ever!!!! Not only that but the off the wall bands this show has turned me on to such as "The Swinging Love Corpses" They now podcast so If you want to sample the strange go here; http://www.subgenius.com/ts/hos.html at the very least it will help you understand loonies like Arthur.

     

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    Thomas (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 3:59pm

    paint

    they sell anti-radiation paint that's wildly expensive but supposedly will block not only cell phone and wi-fi waves but also waves from alien mind control devices.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 6:15pm

      Re: paint

      Great, all he has to do is get some of that and paint his tin foil hat with it and he's good to go.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:47pm

    There's no evidence that it's physiological. Whenever something isn't fully understood that label gets slapped on it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:52pm

    I meant psychological. :S

     

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    Peter, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 5:59am

    I think this group of technologically literate

    people may want to look into the health impacts of Radiofrequency Radiation instead of busying yourself with knocking a man you don't even know. The simple truth is that many people experience negative symptoms from exposure to Cell Phones, Wi-Fi and other sources of Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation -- as well as high exposure to Electromagnetic Fields. The Earth's Natural Magnetic Field is NOT the same as Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation from Wireless Devices and is a bogus comparison to make. ...and anyone here that doesn't understand that RF exposure levels are a largely a function of distance from the source, has no business making stupid generalizations about the other distant sources of RF, Mr. Firstenberg may or may not be exposed to. Mr. Firstenberg has every right to have peace and health within his home. The fact is, if your neighbor's stereo was on too loud, you would have legal rights. Since the FCC decided that any neighbor can now radiate the crap out of you for 24 hours a day, people like Mr. Firstenberg have suffered enormously....It is not right and it needs legal attention. ...and for the record, there are many people here knocking the guy who quite probably experience vague and uncomfortable symptoms for precisely the same reason as Mr. Firstenberg, but haven't been aware enough to make the correlation. I mean -- study it! What would it take? http://www.weepinitiative.org/ I find it disgusting that "technically" minded people would be so quick to judge a guy they haven't met living an experience they know nothing about. Where are your Scientific Minds people? For the more inquisitive people: Here's a free book that describes the experience of 400 MORE people just like Mr. Firstenberg... Free PDF: http://www.feb.se/feb/blackonwhite-abstract.pdf ...and a totally unrelated blog on people that get symptoms from cell phones (not unlike the stories reported here!): http://antipixel.com/blog/archives/2003/10/01/more_cellphone_sickness.html ...and a totally unrelated site that tells some very nightmarish stories about people's close proximity exposure living next to Cell Phone Towers: http://www.mast-victims.org/ ...and all the journal articles you could ever want that clearly establish a basis for concern with regard to these exposures that we are all involuntarily exposed to: http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/science/studies.asp This guy is not nuts...But he is ill....and I don't think that he ought be discarded, but rather understood and listened to. There are more than one or two people on this very blog that ostensibly are saying the same thing as this guy -- and further there are many more people all over the World. This IS a serious Public Health issue and this guy has a lot of balls for standing up and calling attention to it. Surely, it is a rather thankless effort he is making. ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...He isn't suing for gobs of money... He is suing for the freedom to be in his home without being made ill from his neighbor's f-ing toys. Internets -- stop being judgemental morons. He may very well be onto something that you and your own family ought care about. Here are some sites about Electrical Hypersensitivity..Invest 3 minutes and look into this...The Guy is the first of many that will suffer like this. http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/ and another http://www.weepinitiative.org/ and another: http://www.feb.se/index_int.htm and another: http://www.electrosensitivity.org/

     

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      transmaster (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 12:27pm

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      You sir are a weenie, I am a ham radio operator and am decidedly Technologically and RF literate. collectively we Amateur Radio Op's we have had 100 years of experience with RF. Indeed before we learned such things circa 1930 when vacuum transmitting tubes started into use and broad frequency spark gap transmitters went out of use radio operators started to get strange fevers in their ham shacks. Which turned out to be caused by RF from poorly shielded feed lines heating their bodies up. The result of this discovery are diathermy machines that are used in physical therapy, and later microwave ovens. We have been using Frequencies in the range used by Wifi, and cellphones for most of 60 years, and at much, much higher power levels in some causes up to a Kilowatt if used for moon bounce and meteor scatter QSO's. In all of these years we have had no trouble with the the problems sited by the Nut case we are talking about here. Indeed there have been no brain tumors or any other problems caused by RF in the frequency ranges at the power levels used in cell phones and Wifi. At the higher power levels we do take precautions. As for sensitivity to these frequencies no one has reported anything like this and believe me if this was the case the word would have gone out years ago. These eco-crap studies trying to prove low powered transmissions from WiFi networks and cellphone have never studied the brains of the one population that has been using these frequencies the longest, and those studies that have done so have seen power levels such as used by the cellphones and Wifi devices have not been a problem. By the way have you heard of the study that shows that cell phone use may somehow slowdown or could even prevent Alzheimer's. Go here:
      http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Cell-Phone-Use-May-Help-Prevent-Alzheimers-80998152.html

       

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    Peter, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 6:11am

    I think this group of technologically literate

    people may want to look into the health impacts of Radiofrequency Radiation instead of busying yourself with knocking a man you don't even know.

    The simple truth is that many people experience negative symptoms from exposure to Cell Phones, Wi-Fi and other sources of Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation -- as well as high exposure to Electromagnetic Fields.

    The Earth's Natural Magnetic Field is NOT the same as Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation from Wireless Devices and is a bogus comparison to make.

    ...and anyone here that doesn't understand that RF exposure levels are a largely a function of distance from the source, has no business making stupid generalizations about the other distant sources of RF, Mr. Firstenberg may or may not be exposed to.

    Mr. Firstenberg has every right to have peace and health within his home. The fact is, if your neighbor's stereo was on too loud, you would have legal rights.

    Since the FCC decided that any neighbor can now radiate the crap out of you for 24 hours a day, people like Mr. Firstenberg have suffered enormously....It is not right and it needs legal attention. ...

    and for the record, there are many people here knocking the guy who quite probably experience vague and uncomfortable symptoms for precisely the same reason as Mr. Firstenberg, but haven't been aware enough to make the correlation. I mean -- study it! What would it take?

    http://www.weepinitiative.org/

    I find it disgusting that "technically" minded people would be so quick to judge a guy they haven't met living an experience they know nothing about.

    For the more inquisitive people: Here's a free book that describes the experience of 400 MORE people just like Mr. Firstenberg...

    Free PDF: http://www.feb.se/feb/blackonwhite-abstract.pdf


    and a totally unrelated blog on people that get symptoms from cell phones (not unlike the stories reported here!):

    http://antipixel.com/blog/archives/2003/10/01/more_cellphone_sickness.html

    ...and a totally unrelated site that tells some very nightmarish stories about people's close proximity exposure living next to Cell Phone Towers:

    http://www.mast-victims.org/

    ...and all the journal articles you could ever want that clearly establish a basis for concern with regard to these exposures that we are all involuntarily exposed to:
    http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/science/studies.asp

    This guy is not nuts...But he is ill....and I don't think that he ought be discarded, but rather understood and listened to.

    There are more than one or two people on this very blog that ostensibly are saying the same thing as this guy -- and further there are many more people all over the World.

    This IS a serious Public Health issue and this guy has a lot of balls for standing up and calling attention to it.

    Surely, it is a rather thankless effort he is making. ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...

    He isn't suing for gobs of money... He is suing for the freedom to be in his home without being made ill from his neighbor's f-ing toys.

    Internets -- stop being judgemental morons. He may very well be onto something that you and your own family ought care about.

    Here are some sites about Electrical Hypersensitivity..

    Invest 3 minutes and look into this...The Guy is the first of many that will suffer like this.

    http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/ and another

    http://www.weepinitiative.org/ and another:

    http://www.feb.se/index_int.htm and another:

    http://www.electrosensitivity.org/

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 7:21am

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      You forgot http://www.euthanasia.com/ because this man will soon find it impossible not to be surrounded by the wireless spectrum.

       

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      bira, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 8:02am

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      Peter, where does this guy spend his days? Does he magically develop an immunity to these effects during the day since it only mentions there's any issue when he needs to sleep? I suppose, if he works, there are no WiFi "hot-spots" within a similar distance to his place of work as his neighbor's house is to his? Come on man, it may not be impossible that some are sensitive to this but if sensitivity is only at night then that's enough to be suspect of his story.

      As far as not being able to stay at a hotel is also a fib, there are plenty hotels out there not offering WiFi, or even wired internet for that matter. I also suppose cellphones were just invented yesterday!! Get a grip!

       

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      Thomas (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 8:40am

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      The web site at

      http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/index.html

      sells medals that will protect you from ElectroSmog for only 75 pounds. This is total crap and anyone who believes it is not technologically literate. They also sell bracelets to protect you and all kinds of overpriced useless junk. Yes, JUNK. Any website that says Electromagnetic radiation is harmful while selling junk is a scam.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:56am

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      All of which is not his neighbor's problem. Shielding yourself from EM is simple... if he needs to do so he should read about it and not blame others for his special issue.

       

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      Almost Anonymous (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 12:24pm

      Re: I think this group of technologically literate

      """
      ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...
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      W00t, I don't have to STFU -- I think he's motivated by crazy!

      Also, you are either selling snake oil or you are a gullible idiot. Take your pick.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:23am

    Lets think it all the way through

    Maybe this guy (and peter) should think it through before making wild claims/accusations. The burden of proof is on him, NOT society. We dont need to check into it, Its his responsibility to prove it and at his own expense. If the guy supposedly cant live there, then its his responsibility to find somewhere else to live. NOT for society (or his neighbour) to move so that he doesn't have a problem.
    The article states that he claims to have to sleep in his car. Why does he have a car? If wifi and cell make him so ill it would be very irresponsible of him to be driving. After all, he may drive past someone with a cell phone and/or laptop in their car, or just walking down the street, become ill, crash, and kill someone. Should we ban all other vehicles and/or people when he is driving? or just him. Or, when this happens, maybe find him guilty of murder, like drunk driving, because he knew this could be the outcome. What about his employer? Should they ban all wifi and cell phones at work, just for him? What happens when the company goes out of bushiness because it cant keep up with the technology the competition utilizes? Or maybe society should pay for him to exist somewhere outside of that society, just so that it can move forward without him and not be a burden to him? A one way plane ticket to somewhere obscure would be cheaper and SAFER for him and society. Mind you thats IF he can prove it and win in court.

     

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    really, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:25am

    This is why I have to lock my doors.

     

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    Chad, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:59am

    People

    In this day and age, everything gives us cancer and everything makes us sick. Wifi probably does cause tumors, or probably does make people sick, but no amount of evidence will make people stop using it now. Studies could show that wifi DEFINITELY causes cancer, and people would still use it (think cigarettes).

    Just like non-smoking sections, we may need to implement a non-wifi section. It would certainly shut that guy up.

     

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    Bry, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 12:36pm

    @ all

    So... um why does his car offer any better protection from WiFi? my car passes WiFi waves just as the walls of my home....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 1:41pm

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    I agree with you and point that being literated does not prevent ignorance and blindness. Economical crisys and polution are the very example of that. To memorize a book its not the same of really understading it.

    I myself feel weird when Kitchen Microwave is working at high values.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:26pm

    I've seen this many times before. The problem is that the guy has developed mutant powers and has not learned to control them yet. He views it as a curse and in his frustration he lashes out at his human counterparts. He needs to seek out the guidance of Professor Charles Francis Xavier and become a student of his institute so that he can learn to control his gifts and use them for good. Humans and mutants can co-exist!

     

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    Captain Swagger (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:46pm

    Someone should sue this guy for theft of services as he's obviously tapping into his neighbor's wi-fi connection without permission.

     

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    Private Privacy, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 12:37am

    If mobile phone of wi-fi signals caused him any kind of illness, he would be sick no matter where he went. Cell phone tower coverage in a city pretty much overlaps everywhere. Pretty much the same with wi-fi. He could not go into any major city without being bombarded with microwaves and radio waves... it's all in his head.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 3:17am

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Earth living things had millions years to adapt to Sun radiation and earth magnetism.

     

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    jim, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 9:33am

    Don't use foil hats... they amplify !

     

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    Captain Swagger (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 4:44pm

    I really want to register weepinitiative.com and turn it into a tin foil hat parody site...

     

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    rio, Jan 12th, 2010 @ 4:29pm

    this is for real

    I know this sounds crazy, but it is very serious. Just because people think that wifi isn't dangerous to regular folks, doesn't mean it isn't a problem for some. Just like not everyone is allergic to cats.

    My husband is electrically sensitive, and we have tried all sorts of shielding in our house. It doesn't work. We still have at least 6 wifi signals coming in from our neighbors at any given time, and we don't live all that close to them. Why is it a big deal to turn off your wifi when you are sleeping???

    I am an attorney and not a wacko, and I can attest that this is a real illness. One day it will be recognized (it is a protected disability in Sweden). So don't be so quick to judge. Though I think it is too bad that this guy had to resort to a lawsuit. Shameful that neighbors aren't more considerate of others. Happy for you to have your wifi in your house, but why does it have to be in mine?

     

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    Su Watt, Jan 27th, 2010 @ 10:16am

    For real?

    I don't care if it's for real or not. What right does one person have to tell another person what they can or can't do on their own property, provided it's a legal?

    Let's give a realistic example:

    I live next to you. You have a dog. I'm allergic to dogs, so I sue you to get rid of the dog or have it put down...

    I live next to you. I'm allergic to perfume. Occassionally, some of your perfume wafts over and I get sick... so I sue you to prevent you from using perfume.

    Get real. YOUR health is YOUR responsibility. People should stop trying to get others to bend over backwards to accomodate them.

    If you have an allergy to wi-fi, then you need to pick yourself up and move yourself elsewhere, or find a solution that doesn't involve trying to catapult the rest of the world around back to the stone age.

     

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    Bloody Coward, Feb 1st, 2010 @ 9:10am

    This is just stupid -.- move on with life and let the idiot waste his money hiring a lawyer that wont be able to win that case.
    On another note, there are people who can feel the magnetic field in MRI machines because the machine puts out a field 10000 times stronger than any wifi ever could. Deal with it people, the guy is a nut.
    I have nerve damage in my shoulder and the only reason I can feel magnetic or electric waves around me is because of the damage. Without the nerves being that sensitive I wouldn't even notice!

     

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    ...mak..., Feb 24th, 2010 @ 11:22am

    wifi makes me sick

    Ok, until you loose your career due to EMF's you don't know how bad EMF sensivity can make you feel.

    I can't begin to tell you how dizzy and nauseas I can feel after using the computer for extended periods of time. Horrible...

     

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    Arianna, Mar 16th, 2010 @ 6:29pm

    Clearing up a few points

    What the article does not state is that Mr. Firstenberg offered his neighbor $10,000 to turn off to use a landline at home instead of the cell phone and ethernet connections for her computers instead of wireless ones. Secondly, he is not suing her for money, but simply to comply with his request so he can move back into his home.

    I am also quite certain he is telling the truth about his sensitivity and that it is not psychosomatic in cause. The day I met him, he knew I carried a cell phone on me even though I had said cell phone hidden in my pocket. His condition has also been measured by health professionals (suffice it to say his case is very severe, the details really aren't the business of people who don't know him personally) and he has been recognized by the government and ADA as disabled.

    As for building a Faraday cage, firstly, he does not do well with metal, and secondly there are limits to what a Faraday cage can block. It seems static and slowly varying magnetic waves get through even the high quality ones.

    The German government has issued a health warning regarding cell phones, wifi, and other electrical smog. And the Germans are a very technological people. http://www.celsias.com/article/german-government-warns-of-dangers-of-wi-fi/

    There have been many studies on electromagnetic radiation, many of which were on animals, not humans, and there have been contradicting results, but here is a good study. http://www.globalchange.com/radiation.htm

    From that website, one quote of particular interest:

    As long ago as June 1998 the Lancet reported that radiation from mobiles caused an increase of blood pressure. Dr Braune and colleagues in Freiburg, Germany, attached mobiles to the right side of the heads of ten volunteers. The phones were switched on and off by remote control without the volunteers knowing - so that any radiation effect could be separated from the psychological effect of holding a mobile phone. Their blood pressure rose each time by between 5-10mm Hg, probably from an electromagnetic radiation induced constrictive effect on blood vessels from the mobile phones.

    This level of increase would be more than enough to trigger a stroke or heart attack in someone at severe risk, but is harmless in the vast majority of people. This was the first firm evidence that mobile phone radiation could directly alter cell function in the human body.

    This offers an explanation for why some people would be significantly more electromagnetically sensitive than others.

    Actually, I would assume Mr. Genius is catching his neighbor with his router on by using his computer (probably a netbook for the mentally challenged) to scan for local networks.
    No, he has a handheld wifi scanner. They sell such things so that people can easily find a good wifi signal without the inconvenience of carrying their laptop around to every possible location. So, you do not need an entire laptop just to scan for networks. He does not in fact have any sort of personal computer, and uses a old-fashioned typewriter for writing.
    Seriously, If I lived in Santa Fe, I wouldn't need a home. Cold weather my butt!!! Try living where it is -20 Celcius 6-9 months out of the year.
    Regarding the weather in Santa Fe: this is high desert. In other words, we experience rapid temperature drops come nightfall.
    Get real. YOUR health is YOUR responsibility. People should stop trying to get others to bend over backwards to accomodate them.
    Tell that to the American Disabilities Association.

     

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      Wi Fi Sufferer (profile), Jul 30th, 2010 @ 6:53pm

      Re: Clearing up a few points

      Thanks commenting.

      I am a Wi Fi sufferer and suffer extreme health problems ever since our retirement village removed the safe and reliable cable/phone emergency call system and replaced it with seven HF and Wi Fi wireless transmitters.

      My health problems became worse and as usual the medicos always diagnose old age.

      Then for three days the Wi Fi transmitters had been turned off accidently for three days and during those three days my health was normal. I had no idea that the Wi Fi had been turned off, but couldn't believe the renewal of my health for that short time.

      It has got worse since they have now increased the output of these Wi Fi transmitters, and have constructed more mobile phone towers around were I live.

      The increase of brain tumoure in children under the age of 12 years is staggering, and including all other illnesses, such as ADD, Autism, and Cerebal Palsy.

       

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    Wi Fi Sufferer (profile), Jul 30th, 2010 @ 6:43pm

    Wi Fi Sensitivity

    Since the proliferation of the airway with every conceivable forms of electro magnetic radiation, many undiagnosable illnesses have raised their ugly head. Many such illnesses have been given a label as a "syndrome".

    The most common syndrome that has come into being since the mid-1990s is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS), Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS), and Burning Mouth Syndrome (BMS).

    All of these syndromes are debilitating and undiagnosable.

    After reading many of the comments it's obvious that many show the lack of respect or understanding of the electro magnetic fields, and consider themselves an armchair expert.

    I don't intend to go into detail nor try to defend the person who has been accused of suing some other person, which is basically a misconception and distortion of the real truth.

    If all those misinformed people who made comments that were no more than toilet remarks, they need to do some research just by punching into GOOGLE search engine: "Dangers of WI FI", "Dangers of DECT phones", and "Dangers of Cordless Phones".

    There has been much research completed, but sadly the powers of power and control have more to say than the real, honest, and knowledgeable people.

    Like all things these days GREED is the essence of knowledge.

    Fifty years ago they said that asbestos wouldn’t kill you.

    If the sensitivity to other Wi Fi communications equipment is noted by most Computer Technical Forums, by suggesting to encase such equipment in a Faraday cage to eliminate interference and control, then why is it so that a human body that is a form of an electro magnetic system that is controlled by electric pulses by the brain cannot be effected by Wi Fi emissions.

    It’s very obvious that all these armchair experts who make ridiculous and offensive remarks about the person in question, has as much intelligence and commonsense as the fingernail of my little finger.

    Always remember that even DDT was claimed to be safe, and then again Dieldrin in the 1970s was also claimed to be safe, and then again the tobacco companies ensured the smokers that smoking cigarettes was also safe.

    It's a shame that all the EMR has stewed the brain of these so-called armchair experts.

     

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    Lucy, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 2:05pm

    Wireless sensitivity

    Hello,

    I am in my late fifties and since retiring I have spent a lot of time enjoying the computer. My daughter had a Mac lap top and I saw the freedom it gave her then wanting to do emailing and other things without be confined to your computer room. Last year for my birthday I was given one of the new smaller netbooks. It was just what I needed, and I could take it anywhere or watch tv at night and do my emailing. I loved it. About four months ago my hands started getting this terrible painful tingling and the tips of my fingers would start to swell. My husband who has worked with computers for years at our university told me I could be developing a sensitivity to my wireless netbook. I had never heard of such a thing and continued to use my netbook but the pain became worse in my hands almost like I had a shock when you plug in something and it short circuts. I knew it was not carputunal.

    My husband suggested not using my netbook for a few days and I did and the pain went away. When I went back to using it because I didn't want to give it up and I am very stubborn but it became worse. In fact before my hands even reached the keyboard I had pain and I would still use it and then the pain would go up my arm and ended up feeling sick.

    I am not exaggerating and never would believe this and am so frustrated because I am so limited to using it now.

    Some people with silly false stories ruin for the ones who suffer and then people think your a over reacting. My daughter is a nurse and finds this hard to believe but my husband says this is what is causing all my pain and when I don't use it I have no pain in fact in a lot of pain sending this message

    Believe me if you want I am just telling you my story and not happy that this has happened

     

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