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by Mike Masnick

Wed, Jan 21st 2009 1:13am




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RIAA Explanation For Not Wanting Court Broadcast: Those Geeks Might Remix It

from the context-is-king dept

We've already discussed how badly the RIAA does not want the pretrial hearings in the Tenenbaum case to be broadcast -- as was requested by Tenenbaum's lawyers, and approved by the judge in the case. However, the reasoning from the RIAA is pretty laughable. Apparently, it's afraid that (gasp!) some of these tech savvy propaganda-ists out there might remix the video and "manipulate" it to take RIAA arguments out of context. Of course, in saying so, the RIAA has now pretty much guaranteed that's what will happen, but... that still shouldn't matter. We know the RIAA is against the whole concept of remixing, but we thought that was a copyright issue, not one where they actually think that such remixes are universally taken as fact. I wonder if the folks at the RIAA think that things like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are serious news programs rather than satire...

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    SteveD, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 2:16am

    Its definitely a risk... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CvvhDngERXo&feature=related

     

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    icepick314, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 2:34am

    isn't the supposed broadcast supposed to be streamed live?

    how do you "remix" live broadcast?

    doesn't the case coverage be like any other coverage from Court TV?

    WTF, RIAA?!??!?!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 3:02am

    out of contexte?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 3:04am

    out of context?

    how about all head lines most of the press use to attract readers?

    are they going to request liberty of speech to be revoked?

     

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    AJ, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 4:24am

    real reason

    Don't you know the REAL reason? They don't want the world to see the broadcast of them getting their butts kicked in court -- ahh the humiliation!

     

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    eleete, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 4:35am

    In Context

    "some of these tech savvy propaganda-ists out there might remix the video and "manipulate" it to take RIAA arguments out of context."

    It's so much funnier when it's in context.

     

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      John Duncan Yoyo, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 12:24pm

      Re: In Context

      >"some of these tech savvy propaganda-ists out there might >"remix the video and "manipulate" it to take RIAA arguments >out of context."


      The Remix -
      might it take some RIAA propaganda-ists to remix the video arguments of these tech savvy out there to manipulate and out of context?

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 5:13am

    I thought they where thinking about the children!

    or

    They did not want the copyrighted evidence illegal distributed on the internet.

     

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    Sheesh, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 5:22am

    As opposed to text

    Certainly, none of the geeks out there would dare to manipulate text of the proceedings.

     

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    ben, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 5:40am

    Official Copy

    I guess then the RIAA could put out an official copy of it, couldn't they? And who says the RIAA wouldn't alter that copy to their advantage?

     

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    Steve R. (profile), Jan 21st, 2009 @ 5:48am

    Public Entitled to the Court Proceedings

    It seems that the discussion is overlooking the issue that court proceedings in most cases are PUBLIC. (see note below) Consequently the RIAA is attempting to squelch free speech.

    Though focusing on REMIX speaks of the absurdity of the RIAA position it leaves us "stuck" with looking at this from a copyright issue, that clearly does not apply. We need to take a more aggressive stance by saying that the RIAA is attempting to reduce our rights to participate (by listening) in an open court proceeding.

    In the WIRED article In Internet First, RIAA File Sharing Hearing to Be Webcast David Kravets wrote: "The ruling is groundbreaking. Federal trial courts rarely, if ever, permit still pictures or live feeds from their courtrooms, though appeals courts are more open. Most states allow some type of photography, and vest the decision exclusively with the judge presiding over the case." So there is some "maneuvering room" for the RIAA. Nevertheless, here we have an organization that wants ethical behavior on the consumers part demanding that it has a right to squelch freedom of speech, a fundamental right that we are entitled too. Very hypocritical.

     

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    TDR, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 6:56am

    Nice try, RIAA - but it won't fly.


    "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us."

    -the Addams family motto

     

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    GeneralEmergency (profile), Jan 21st, 2009 @ 9:26am

    Finish this joke, please...

    "How do you know an RIAA lawyer is lying?"

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 11:51am

    To those euphoric few who may view this as a victory of sorts, you have obviously never sat in a court as either counsel or observer. Motion proceedings are as enjoyable to watch as it feels to repeatedly stick your hand with an ice pick.

    After the "OJ" debacle some years ago, I well understand why the overwhelming majority of judges give a resounding thumbs down to cameras in the courtroom.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 23rd, 2009 @ 9:45am

      Re:

      I well understand why the overwhelming majority of judges give a resounding thumbs down

      Uhm... why? Because no one wants to watch them? As noted above, these are public proceeedings. why should those who want to witness them be denied access because others find it less-than-enjoyable. I, for one, look forward to seeing this hearing because i'm honestly interested in the case, not because I'm looking to be entertained.

      Related: can a hand motion really 'resound'?

       

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    Mr Big Content, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 4:40pm

    Not The Same Thing At All

    I can see where they're coming from. Programs like The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are legitimately-licensed programs, with an officially-accredited sense of humour. Whereas release stuff like this on the Internet, and any Tom, Dick and Harry, with who knows what idea of a joke, might do anything they like with it. I mean, have you seen some of the things people find funny, when they're left to themselves? It's obvious you can't have that. Satire needs to be carefully managed.

     

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    Brad, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 5:58pm

    I fully plan to remix it, but onto my next Trance CD. I'll play the arguments, in their entirety, on my tracks. I'll just put a nice back beat behind it. I'll call it "Music Wants to Own You" and I'll go ahead and seed it myself.

    Can I get in trouble for seeding my own content? I'm betting my ISP won't know the difference.

     

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