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News You Could Do Without

by Mike Masnick

Mon, May 12th 2008 9:52pm




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Microsoft Tries To Limit Machines That Can Use Low Cost OS

from the can't-let-anyone-use-a-cheap-product dept

Kevin Stapp writes in to alert us to the fact that in Microsoft's attempt to compete against Linux on various low-end PCs, it's offering a cheap version of its operating system -- but rather than simply offering it up for different computer makers to use, it's got specific rules limiting the type of computers it can be used on -- basically guaranteeing that their operating systems remain off of many low end machines that don't qualify under the extremely limited specs (no touch screens, no hard drives over 80 gigs, etc.). This is pointless for a variety of reasons, but the simplest one is this: any time you try to limit the use of your software to platforms that are less useful and less powerful than what's available, you're basically telling everyone who wants quality to go with a different provider. It's hard to see why Microsoft would want to make that kind of argument -- unless they don't realize that they're actually competing in this space. Given how little competition Microsoft has had to deal with in the OS market for years, perhaps it's natural that they don't know how to compete when it's finally necessary.

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  1.  

    DOS

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    Anonymous Coward, May 12th, 2008 @ 10:08pm

    What will Microsoft call their new operating system intended for use on smaller, less powerful computers ?

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    bob, May 12th, 2008 @ 10:10pm

    I really think they don't understand and don't know how to compete. A well configured Linux distro is more than enough for one of these boxes. M$ is so used to being able to dictate terms that they don't know what to do when they actually have to fight. Making their product less useful isn't going to do anything but drive people in to their competitor's waiting arms.

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    New OS!

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    John Paradox, May 12th, 2008 @ 10:42pm

    What will Microsoft call their new operating system intended for use on smaller, less powerful computers ?

    Portholes?

    J/P=?

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    Re: DOS

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    mano, May 12th, 2008 @ 11:11pm

    Microsoft Blinds!

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    Anonymous Coward, May 12th, 2008 @ 11:13pm

    Vista sub

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    Profit margins...

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    Wolferz (profile), May 12th, 2008 @ 11:32pm

    My guess is they looked at this new os as possible competition for Vista and... considering likely lower profit margins for this low-cost os... decided to try to limit it to machines Vista would be a mistake for.

    Whether this is a good idea or not is a question beyond my knowledge... but I can see why it might be a bad idea to offer a low-cost version of Windows with the current popularity (or lack there of) of their flagship product. Even worse if it claims to have less overhead than their current flagship (considering this is a common complaint regarding Vista).

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    It's called "XP"

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    zcat, May 12th, 2008 @ 11:56pm

    As near as I can tell, Microsoft is offering "Windows XP" cheap for use on low-end machines like the eee and XO, at the same time that they're ending support and sales of XP on regular computers.

    Which is sort of like admitting that XP is still a perfectly useful OS with a comparatively small footprint, and there's really no good reason for moving to Vista other than because Microsoft is forcing that move.

    I wonder how this is going to work out for them.

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    Re: DOS

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    Shaun, May 13th, 2008 @ 12:03am

    Umm... Windows XP Home...
    I'd already heard this story and besides the linked article mentions it.

    On another note, this could be a very good thing for Linux. Buy the Windows edition with a plain screen or get the Linux version with a touchscreen for example. The $22 - $32 saved from the windows license probably won't cover the cost of the touchscreen functionality - but having the edition with Linux on it being both better (in terms of hardware) and more expensive that the windows one could help to create the impression of Linux as the premium option.

    Currently with high powered laptops mostly running windows and Linux only on lower cost, low powered models it creates the false impression that Linux is somehow sub-par.

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  9.  

    dumping

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    Wesley Parish, May 13th, 2008 @ 1:41am

    There's a word used to describe a company that rather than attempting to compete on value, drops its product's price below cost and attempts to drive its competitor out that way - "cutting off the air supply" is Microsoft's preferred phrase, "dumping" is the legal term.

    It looks like Microsoft has elected to come to the anti-trust people's attention again, because MS Windows XP is not cheaper than Linux on any of the usual markets. Their funeral.

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    Adam, May 13th, 2008 @ 1:55am

    Microsoft Aren't competing with this on low end PCs to compete you need to offer more for the money not less.

    Why buy the heavily limit Microsoft OS, when you can get a full fat unlimited Linux OS.


    As a side note i use XP and will continue to use it, Vista is too big and power hungry for me to make use of it, not to mention many compatibility issues with some of the software i run on XP.

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    Once businesses get hold of it...

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    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, May 13th, 2008 @ 1:55am

    Another point is that Microsoft is only offering XP Home on these budget ultralights, not XP Pro.

    So what happens when the popularity of these machines spreads to business users? I think HP is already expecting that to happen with its 2133 MiniNote. What further capitulation will Microsoft be forced into then?

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    End in sight

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    Chris, May 13th, 2008 @ 2:28am

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandi

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    May not be as dumb as it sounds

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    Kevin, May 13th, 2008 @ 2:39am

    While I agree that it's stupid to put artificial restrictions on PC makers about what kind of hardware can use the super low-cost version of XP Home Edition, it's worth pointing out that we are talking about a very small part of the market here. Right now it's only the Asus eeePC, the XO, and similar very small, very inexpensive systems that typically ship with a Linux distro to keep costs down. It's interesting to note that NONE of the PCs/laptops in this class come anywhere near to exceeding the Microsoft specs, and are unlikely to do so for several years.

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    Re: DOS

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    Sean, May 13th, 2008 @ 3:05am

    Mini-MS! (pronounced; Mini-Mess)

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    Re: End in sight

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    The Mighty Buzzard, May 13th, 2008 @ 3:18am

    That was all fine and good in India. In China though it goes something like:

    1) They throw you in prison.
    2) They shoot you in the head.
    3) ???
    4) Profit!

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    MS's funeral

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    Kon Krypton (profile), May 13th, 2008 @ 4:15am

    Who cares, I mean really? What Ballmer hasn't realized yet is that increasing numbers of users really don't care what MS does.

    If I didn't have a Mac, I'd build my own system and install Linux. Done deal.

    F*** MS and the horse they rode in on.

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    Anonymous Coward, May 13th, 2008 @ 4:32am

    Of course they have restrictions on what low end pc's can run this OS. It will be a cheap os that will make them hardly any prophets at all. They want as many computers running their more expensive OS that they make more money off of.

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    Falling giant

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    Eric Fredericksen, May 13th, 2008 @ 4:33am

    linux will never be mainstream desktop OS until mainstream desktop apps support it. Like adobe cs and 3d studio max and solidworks and that list is almost endless. I can't see that happening anytime soon so as far as linux giving m$ a run for it's money....Not in my lifetime perhaps? As much as i hate microsoft for pulling crap just like this i am locked in because i have to have software like the ones listed above. An as far as that goed so are about a billion other people. PERIOD!!!

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    Re: DOS

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    Anonymous Coward, May 13th, 2008 @ 4:45am

    POS for Piece of Sh*t

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    Jake, May 13th, 2008 @ 5:02am

    How exactly do they propose to enforce this? I can think of at least two potential ways of getting around a software-based restriction, though it'd probably be easier to just buy a used copy of XP or even 2000 Pro if you really need Windows for a particular app but don't have the hardware -or the patience- for Vista.

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    Re: Falling giant

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    Palmyra, May 13th, 2008 @ 5:37am

    Eric, what stream are you floating on? There is nothing mainstream about them.

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    C Sense, May 13th, 2008 @ 5:56am

    Or microsoft really isn't trying to compete with their own products. They are offering the OS to a small sector and they don't want this OS to compete with their more profitable full versions. Thats called market cannibalism, and its smart to avoid it. I find it hilarious that people think MS doesn't know how to compete simply because they are trying to reduce the loss of full OS sales.

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    Overcast, May 13th, 2008 @ 6:02am

    And Linux doesn't have those limitation - so Microsoft is offering a better product in what way?

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    wasnt me, May 13th, 2008 @ 6:26am

    M$ still thinks it has no competition.

    granted some1 who has been using nothing by there OS since they discovered computers (which probably covers over 80% of the world population) will have difficulty switching systems but between there "great" vista and there other not so smart decisions, that should start changing in the future.

    I for one will probably change once i can no longer get XP through legal means.

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    Anonymous Coward, May 13th, 2008 @ 6:27am

    Or maybe its because Ballmer is a complete idiot. Bring Bill back!!!

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    rja, May 13th, 2008 @ 6:39am

    WINDOWSjr

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    Re: Falling giant

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    John Wilson, May 13th, 2008 @ 6:43am

    For graphics software I have to admit I was under the impression that 3DSMax did have a Linux edition. Certainly Maya does. And there are ways under WINE or CrossOver to run Adobe CS under Linux.

    For 3D modelling and animation there's Blender. For graphics there's The GIMP, Krita and Inkscape.

    All of which will run on the little boxes that MS is trying to restrict.

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  29.  

    Call it Bob

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    Bob, May 13th, 2008 @ 7:23am

    I dare you!

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    Anonymous Coward, May 13th, 2008 @ 7:26am

    Microsoft Tank, as it's gonna tank soon after they try to release it

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    Amazing!

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    Ed, May 13th, 2008 @ 7:27am

    Hey,

    For Win fans:
    - You don't need to be afraid about M$ supremacy, on the next years. Just remains buying all the fantastic new X2, X4, X100 processors, lots of 4Gb, 8Gb 200GB of memory(BTW, your vista only manage 2GB), Peta bytes of disk... Win/Intel, Kingston, Seagate/Maxtor appreciate that!!!
    And, your world will be safe and running.

    For the Linux/BeOs, etc fans - let's continue to use that crap machines with so weak processors, memory, etc...
    well, and we'll keep doing the same...
    sorry about that Intel and gang! :))

    Heheheheheh!

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    Re: It's called "XP"

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    Brad Clarkston, May 13th, 2008 @ 7:43am

    It's called Windows 2000 they did the same thing during the transition to Windows XP and it worked out great. I guess
    no one remembers how bad XP was prior to SP1?

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    Re: Call it Bob

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    Anonymous Coward, May 13th, 2008 @ 8:22am

    The only thing useful to come out of that project is Melinda Gates. She was the MS Bob project manager.

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    bored, May 13th, 2008 @ 9:44am

    It's nice to see a company make itself obsolete.

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    This iks what they do...

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    His Shadow, May 13th, 2008 @ 11:07am

    Microsoft stifles innovation. They can't help it. They had a walled garden of corporate customers for so long they have no idea how to compete, and no clue as to how they've damaged the realm of personal computing.

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    WinCE

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    Rick Sarvas, May 13th, 2008 @ 11:58am

    I agree with "C Sense". My first thought when I read this was that this rule would most likely be put into place to protect the WinCE (or tablet) market. Really, from a customer perspective, why would you want a hand held PC with some oddball OS (requiring all new software) when you might be able to get another hand held that could run a full desktop OS (Win2k, XP, etc.) with all your favorite apps?

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    Re: Re: Falling giant

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    Eric Fredericksen, May 13th, 2008 @ 3:40pm

    You can't seriously be comparing blender to solidworks or gimp to adobe cs3. There is no linux 3dmax. and WINE and CrossOver are far from reliable. Don't get me wrong. I have used blender and gimp as well as inkscape and they are all great open source projects, but comparing them to the major players in graphic design leaves them lacking every time.

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