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   Jake, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 12:18pm

   
   

   Well, more power to him. Shame his stuff's so powerfully average though.

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   Lucretious, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 12:20pm

   
   

   Mike, I'm curious why you didn't pick up the Clive Davis statement story (how he feels that singers shouldn't be writing their own material). Seems like it would've been a good discussion.

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   I dont get your closing statement.

   

   Hellsvilla, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 12:23pm

   
   

   Why the insinuation that an "album" is anything of any relevance at all?

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   Quick.....

   

   DanC, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 1:23pm

   
   

   Someone come up with a reason why this couldn't possibly work for anyone else.

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   Re: I dont get your closing statement.

   

   Jim, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 1:26pm

   
   

   Why don't you explain why his closing statement is irrelevant rather than ask him to justify it. It made sense to me: Flo Rida's record hasn't hit store shelves yet, but it is apparently very popular despite that fact. If this is a logical fallacy, please enlighten.

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   Anonymous Coward, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 1:28pm

   
   

   I don't see what's so astounding about treating 'fans' as valued customers. Seems like plain old everyday good business economics to me.

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   Completely lame plug

   

   JS Beckerist (profile), Mar 18th, 2008 @ 1:53pm

   
   

   Completely lame plug here, but Flo-Rida's song "Low" is the most hits of all lyrics I've transcribed (started in November)
   
   http://www.beckerist.com/lyrics/Flo-Rida_ft_T-Pain_-_Low.html

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   Birdmonster

   

   Michael Long, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 2:13pm

   
   

   Interesting. I noticed, however, that you tend to skip over news that doesn't support your premise. Chris Anderson just posted about the long-tail band Birdmonster, which just left the ranks of the "do it yourself" group to sign with a label.
   
   To quote, "Do we want to be musicians or do we want to run a business? To do both equally well just seemed unrealistic."

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   Re: Birdmonster

   

   Mike (profile), Mar 18th, 2008 @ 3:00pm

   
   

   Interesting. I noticed, however, that you tend to skip over news that doesn't support your premise. Chris Anderson just posted about the long-tail band Birdmonster, which just left the ranks of the "do it yourself" group to sign with a label.
   
   How does that disagree with what we said? I've always said there's a room for the labels to act as the business partners for musicians... it's just that it should be in helping them sell the scarce goods, not the infinite goods.
   
   I never said the bands should do it all themselves. There's definitely room for business partners to manage the business. In fact, that's exactly what I was saying the RIAA members should be focused on:
   
   http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070201/004218.shtml
   
   So, actually that story is an example of exactly what I believe will happen.
   
   And I didn't "skip over" the story because it didn't support my theory (which it actually does). I hadn't seen that story, and now that I have, perhaps I will write it up. There are thousands of stories a day. I have time to write maybe 10 to 12. If I don't write one of the others, it doesn't mean I'm ignoring it...

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    Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    teknosapien, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 3:06pm

    
    

    to do this - remember that little old bad called the Grateful Dead they used their fans to spread the music which did promote the band. When they were touring they were the top grossing touring band in the world beating out the Rolling Stones and others on several occasions. as for the "Do we want to be musicians or do we want to run a business?" the smart move would be to hire the right people (fans) to run the business portion of the venture, while, you the band work on the Music. Any band that goes the way of a record company is probably not one I would listen to anyway so as it speaks to the core reason why they are a band in the first place

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    Re: Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    Anonymous Coward, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 3:49pm

    
    

    I'm confused. The Grateful Dead had a record company.

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    Re: Re: Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    Mike (profile), Mar 18th, 2008 @ 4:06pm

    
    

    I'm confused. The Grateful Dead had a record company.
    
    What does having a record label have to do with anything? Whether or not you have a record label has nothing to do with accepting new business models.

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    Re: Re: Re: Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    Anonymous Coward, Mar 18th, 2008 @ 4:15pm

    
    

    Mike, I agree completely. My confusion was regarding teknosapian's post. He held the Grateful Dead up as and example but then said he would not listen to a band that "went the way of a record company" The two comments seemed mutually exclusive as I understood them.

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    Re: I dont get your closing statement.

    

    Wolfer (profile), Mar 18th, 2008 @ 5:41pm

    
    

    The album is relevant in that it isn't relevant... or at least not as relevant as the RIAA thinks. That's the point.
    
    It's relevant to the discussion of whether or not albums are important for artists to be popular or to get exposure. If an artist can have this much exposure when the album hsn't even been made available yet, then the relevant question is "how important (relevant) can the album really be to an artist's success?"

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    +1 for the Artist, -1 to the RIAA

    

    Twinrova, Mar 19th, 2008 @ 4:02am

    
    

    It's great to see a change in the industry. I didn't think I'd live to see the day. Hopefully, this trend continues with other artists.
    
    But what about "retro" music? Sadly, I see no "free download" future for this stuff, which is a shame.
    
    My vehicle is in the shop so I'm driving the second car, which has no MP3 playing capability. I've been flipping stations constantly, trying to find something decent on the radio.
    
    My goodness, I can't believe today's music sucks so bad. I can't believe anyone charges for this crap. Well, even if "Flo Rida" (oh come on!!!) does offer freebees, it will go to the crowd that apparently finds the music entertaining.
    
    I may not like the music, but I certainly enjoy the change.
    
    I'll accept that happily.

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    Re: Re: Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    :HAn., Mar 19th, 2008 @ 5:07am

    
    

    11. teknospien didnt explain fully. The Grateful Dead (as well as another hugely successful band, Phish) would allow fans to tape their concerts and encouraged sharing the music. Both of these bands probably had the most die-hard fan base of all time and their concert grossings were among the top (and yes, they sold and continue to sell TONS of records). The music industry always seems to forget this for some reason....Probably because it PUTS THEM OUT OF A JOB

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    Re: Re: Well this is not the first band/artist

    

    :HAn., Mar 19th, 2008 @ 5:07am

    
    

    11. teknospien didnt explain fully. The Grateful Dead (as well as another hugely successful band, Phish) would allow fans to tape their concerts and encouraged sharing the music. Both of these bands probably had the most die-hard fan base of all time and their concert grossings were among the top (and yes, they sold and continue to sell TONS of records). The music industry always seems to forget this for some reason....Probably because it PUTS THEM OUT OF A JOB

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    Fans are important!

    

    Hit Beats, Jul 31st, 2008 @ 12:50am

    
    

    It would be nice if Indie hip hop and rap artist, and R&B artist can get a REAL chance that allows them to get noticed by real fans.. Indie is the way to go. Already the production side is available. I get tracks and beats from http:.//www.beatslocker.com and they are totally hit major sound and great quality hip hop and rap beats. So that side is covered where as before only then major labels had access to these producers.. I already have airplay and Uni has contacted me! But in the end it would be nice to stay indie and keep the cash...all that remains to conquer is promo and marketing.. distribution is even covered .... when that happens majors are truly over!

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    Make fans Notice or whats the point?

    

    Right hip hop, Jul 31st, 2008 @ 1:07am

    
    

    It would be nice if Indie hip hop and rap artist, and R&B;artist can get a REAL chance that allows them to get noticed. Indie is the way to go. This could be another step for the indie and the end of major labels. ITunes def helped as you can distribute like the majors. Already the production side is available. I get tracks and beats from : http://www.beatslocker.com and they are totally hit major sound and great quality hip hop and rap beats. That was never available before....So that side is covered where as before only the major labels had access to these producers.. I already have airplay and Uni has contacted me! But in the end it would be nice to stay indie and keep the cash...all that remains to conquer is promo and marketing.. distribution is even covered .... when that happens majors are truly over!

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    Make fans Notice or whats the point?

    

    Right hip hop, Jul 31st, 2008 @ 1:09am

    
    

    It would be nice if Indie hip hop and rap artist, and R&B;artist can get a REAL chance that allows them to get noticed. Indie is the way to go. This could be another step for the indie and the end of major labels. ITunes def helped as you can distribute like the majors. Already the production side is available. I get tracks and beats from :
    
    http://www.beatslocker.com
    
    and they are totally hit major sound and great quality hip hop and rap beats. That was never available before....So that side is covered where as before only the major labels had access to these producers.. I already have airplay and Uni has contacted me! But in the end it would be nice to stay indie and keep the cash...all that remains to conquer is promo and marketing.. distribution is even covered .... when that happens majors are truly over!

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    Downloading

    

    Kris Carter, Oct 8th, 2008 @ 3:02pm

    
    

    Yea I kinda like Flo-rida, and it is true if you connect with your fans on a higher level you wont have to worry about new age downloading as much becuase they will go buy it after they download it, assuming its good material. also check out http://www.getbeatsonline.com for free beats.

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    Rap Beats

    

    Ray, Nov 16th, 2008 @ 4:09am

    
    

    Well I'm a big fan of www.ideclaresamples.com for rap beats and hip hop beats

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    Re: Rap Beats

    

    Ray, Jan 21st, 2009 @ 7:46pm

    
    

    O I Declare Samples move the to www.ideclaremusic.com just a update on them lol but this is the one for rap beats

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