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by Mike Masnick


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Why Is P2P Software The Focus In Latest Identity Theft Arrest?

from the that's-not-the-issue dept

The press has been buzzing about the fact that a Seattle man was arrested for identity theft earlier this week -- with most of the focus being on the fact that he used P2P file sharing software to find personal info about people which he then used in his identity theft scam to get credit cards under his victims' names, order products and then sell them online at half-price. Clearly, if he's found guilty of doing this, the guy was involved in a pretty massive fraud and deserves to go to jail. However, the P2P angle is an odd one, as one of the charges is "accessing a protected computer without authorization." The thing is, it wasn't without authorization. It was just that the individuals incorrectly configured their own file sharing software to expose private details. Just as some politicians want to blame P2P software for gov't employees misconfiguring it, it seems wrong to blame this guy for accessing documents that people stupidly made available. It sounds like the guy probably did plenty of other things that will get him locked up for a long time -- but unauthorized access isn't necessarily them.

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    Sep 7th, 2007 @ 3:52pm
  • Awesome!

    by IronChef

    This guy probably couldn't get a job working a town over- in Redmond- because some guy who had a H1B Visa had his job.

    We need more inventive thinkers like this. Too bad he had to use his powers for evil!

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  • Sep 7th, 2007 @ 5:06pm
  • Darwinism

    by don

    Back in the day when I was into p2p, I found so many people sharing their entire c: drive I eventually shared a folder of other people's email(.dbx files). One day I was flattered to find another user with my handle in direct connect. He appended his name with the caption, 'I read your emails', heh. Oh, and to my neighbors who have file sharing enabled on their wide open wi-fi networks: Read that notepad doc I put on you desktop telling you to shut of file sharing. Ignorance is simply no defence, sorry.

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  • Sep 7th, 2007 @ 7:52pm
  • RIAA lawsuits: distant implications

    by Mike C.

    This will actually be an interesting case to follow for the RIAA lawsuit victims. If this man is convicted of "accessing a protected computer without authorization", aren't MediaSentry and the RIAA investigators guilty of exactly the same thing?

    If they manage to get that portion of the complaint tossed, the flip side is that people will not be able to use that in counter-claims against the RIAA.

    This will probably be a good case to watch.

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  • Sep 7th, 2007 @ 11:16pm
  • by Anonymous Coward

    If he's convicted of that, it would mean that the almighty great U.S. of A. would have gotten dumber than imaginable.

    That would mean that even of people are ignorant and can't properly configure their software, you still aren't allowed to access it. And well, since the gov is pretty much as dumb as that... well.. you figure it out heh.

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    • Sep 8th, 2007 @ 8:20am
    • Re:

      by Oliver Wendell Jones

      That would mean that even of people are ignorant and can't properly configure their software, you still aren't allowed to access it.

      No, that's like saying "if people can't remember to lock their door when they leave their home, then you should be allowed to enter their home and it not be illegal". Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's right or legal.

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      • Sep 8th, 2007 @ 3:16pm
      • Re: Re:

        by Lar

        I agree it still doesn't make it right, but what if in your analogy the homeowner put a sign in the front yard stating "here is my open house - I am sharing what is in it." Wouldn't that blur that line a bit?

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      • Sep 8th, 2007 @ 11:08pm
      • Re: Re:

        by Jacob Buck

        Is it breaking and entering still, or just entering? ( I seriously want to know )

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        • Sep 9th, 2007 @ 2:10am
        • Re: Re: Re:

          by Terschinbrae

          Probably would fall under the "trespassing" category, if I had to chance a guess.

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          • Sep 10th, 2007 @ 12:53pm
          • Re: Re: Re: Re:

            by SailorRipley

            since the people shared folders containing those personal documents, my guess would be it's neither breaking and entering nor trespassing...it's just plain Fair Use

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    Sep 7th, 2007 @ 11:57pm
  • Just negative PR

    by dave

    This is just part of a campaign to badmouth P2P software. All P2P software. That makes it easier to make and pass laws to ban it.

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  • Sep 9th, 2007 @ 2:27am
  • by Anonymous Coward

    well the funny thing is with p2p software, most people accept the default folder location and they store their personal information in that folder, such as credit cards, addresses, etc. It is not that hard to find out this information. So in my opinion, people should learn how to configure their software and not store the personal in those folders.

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  • Sep 9th, 2007 @ 8:41am
  • by don

    Another thing, these 'victims' certainly aren't blameless. One can be certain they are filling their ipods with pirated music, downloading pirated movies and games. Seems to me to be a fitting retribution for their insidous goals. Eye for an eye?

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    • Sep 9th, 2007 @ 10:19am
    • Re:

      by Jacob Buck

      One can not be certain. There are plenty of legally distributable files out on the p2p networks. "Innocent until proven guilty", remember?

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    Sep 9th, 2007 @ 2:50pm
  • think about it

    by CommonSense

    If I invite you onto my property to purchase items at my yard sale, I had better not find you in my home, even if the doors are unlocked. This guy should have his head set in the town square on a pole as an example to all others who not only snoop into other people's lives but attempt to profit by it.

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  • Sep 10th, 2007 @ 6:15am
  • RE: Why Is P2P Software The Focus In Latest Identi

    by Evil me

    ... why else? It makes P2P software that much more of a "green goblin" for the media - which pushes the media's agenda.

    (reply to this comment) (link to this comment)

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