FBI's Current Surveilliance Techniques Could Even Surpass Carnivore

from the eye-on-you dept

Over at CNET News.com, Declan McCullagh says that the FBI may be using an invasive new surveillance technique that goes far beyond its abandoned Carnivore surveillance system. Apparently instead of just recording the online activity of a particular subject or suspect, agents are using "full-pipe" surveillance -- sucking down all the online traffic that goes across a network's router or switch -- when they or an ISP can't isolate a particular IP address or user to monitor. Only after more information can be divined that allows the agents to isolate a particular user's traffic do they (supposedly) throw out all the other information they've collected. This means the FBI could be collecting the activity of all kinds of people who have done nothing to merit surveillance, and it's a technique that was apparently too invasive for Carnivore. McCullagh also explores the legality of the technique, since it would seem to fall foul of the "minimization" demands of federal wiretap laws which require investigators to limit the amount of information they intercept that's outside the scope of their investigation.


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  1.  
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    Feds, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 12:35pm

    We .. are

    ... watching ... you ...

     

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    Tinfoil Hat, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 1:30pm

    Tinfoil hats everyone

    Time to start making your Tinfoil hats....

     

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    bz, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 1:31pm

    I, for one...

    We are from the government and we're here to help.

     

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    alaric, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 1:37pm

    Power without oversight always end the same

    It always turns into abuse. The "patriots" claim we should just "trust the government."

    Nothing is further from patriotism and no one gets free reign without oversight and without respect for individual rights, not even president G.W. specials interests or federal burea of incompetents.

     

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    PsychoticHairlessApe, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 1:58pm

    Lowest energy state

    Laws generally suck because of the same thing: governments are inherently lazy.

    Why take the time to craft an effective law when just imposing restrictions on everyone, innocent or otherwise, is so much more expedient?

    SSN/ID anyone?

    After all, when a law is passed the problem goes away and we all get re-elected, right?

    There may be exceptions, but Grand Conspiracies seem to violate Achem and his famous shaving implement.

     

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    Hue, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 2:02pm

    Yes, as a matter of fact, I can here the collectiv

    We are the Borg, You will be assimilated...
    Resistance is futile...

     

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    Paul, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 2:04pm

    Question....

    Q can I use my SS# as an IP Address..?

     

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    A, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 2:39pm

    wow

    what is a bad guy now a days?
    i think i may be a good guy but maybe you should tap me just in case I've missed the boat
    I may be doing something I dont know about
    Will tapping my phone stop me from doing something I'm not aware of?
    If I become aware of the tap can I still not know what I'm doing?
    If I know I dont know about the tap or the being bad part can I change my mind and contact someone to get put back on the secret list?
    Maybe I'm thinking about this wrong?
    Can I be taken off the list even if I may not know that I'm not on the not secret list?
    Or can someone notify me if I didnt get to stay on the not secret secret list?
    Geeze I may have this figured out by the end of the week.
    Can someone help me find the guys who dont contact me if i mistakingly end up on the not secret secret list so I can find out what things to not do or say so that I can stay off the not taken off the secret secret not secret secret list?

     

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    Dancho Danchev, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 2:44pm

    Carnivore = over-priced TCP/IP sniffer

    Every then and now, a law enforcement agency comes up with trendy techniques to (legally) eavesdrop on a suspects' traffic. Carnivore was nothing more than a over-priced sniffer that too, could have acted as a "full-pipe" surveillance tool, so there's nothing ground breaking in respect to the surveillance technology. Perhaps what's new are the minor modifications for detecting and isolating specific traffic like VoIP for instance, better metrics and reports creation, as well as newly introduced information-sharing concepts.

    From another perspective, don't fear the FBI, fear the NSA that's (legally) full-pipping traffic from all the major telecoms to showcase data mining know how. A law enforcement agency also cannot just pop up at an ISP and say we have a suspect at your network but we don't know which one it is, so we need to monitor everyone and see who's doing bad things, not only because more people doing "bad things" will show up when nobody needed them to do so, but because of privacy violations. Full surveillance is however much more often abused than reported.

     

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    photon11111, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 3:13pm

    FBI

    Know your self.
    If you need help, call the FBI.

     

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    FBI, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 3:56pm

    Nothing New, We have been watching for over 20 yea

    This is nothing new unless you live in a shell. We have been watching and recording the entire US Internet activity for 20 years. Nice to know all thoes acres of Mainframes are now working as a hi tech hard drives....... Sure, we will delete once we have what we really need.....of course we would never think of creating a database of any of this stuff......atleast not from people who we should really be watching.....

    Trust Me.......

     

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    A, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 4:22pm

    HMMMMMM

    Ok I got it!
    We shouldnt fear them because theyve been doing it for years before they told us they secretly do it.
    And furthermore we should fear the guys that still do more that they ever told us they do secretly even though they havent told us we still know they do an did it?
    So I should assertain that I am on the #1 hit list of this secret yet not secret spy on your american people secretly secret list because i did or said what?
    OK
    THEN
    her ya go!
    this is why I'm on the list!
    I investigated the truth for years and researched the evidences revealed by heros of this age of communication.
    from audio tapes, books, videos, dvds, video google and whatever other source I could to find as much hard evidence as I could.
    william cooper
    phil schneider
    mark koernke
    bob fletcher
    the trauchman brothers
    evangelist john lewis
    david j smith
    jim marrs
    tex marrs
    gary khah
    alex jones
    cynthia mckinney
    michael cremo
    michael heiser
    jordan maxwell
    bob bowman
    jim fetzer
    webster griffin tarpley
    even check out the other guys
    ted gunderson
    james forrestal
    bill english
    and even
    michael tsarion
    now the dudes who spy on me can close in and sink the pink
    cuz i know more than them and i care
    support Ed Brown from every computer, phone, mailbox, video feed, blowhorn and tape recorder in america
    The time is now to take america back
    enforce the constitution
    round up the traitors
    start with freedom
    start with honor
    start with wisdom
    start with knowing the truth
    start with evidence
    start with despotism
    but when it goes down
    and its going down now
    it boils down to
    "give me liberty or else"
    peace brother
    lets roll

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 4:56pm

    Well, if god wanted mails not to be readable from secnd parties, he would have made thunderbird with pgp...

     

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    seti, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 8:24pm

    Line up...

    Line up for your fingerprint-RFID national cards over here! Land of the free has given away to land of the secure...after all...everyone is willing to give up freedom for security...right?

     

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    A, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 8:50pm

    ya baby

    anyone who takes part in administering the card is a traitor to their state constitution
    any agency that says it is the next logical mandatory step should be hung in town square immediately
    any county sherrif that forces the card on any sovereign should be placed in jail bail1,000,000,000$
    any state office that calls for the card to be put in place in any way should be over run by legal constitutional militia
    any interstate enforcement of a regional directive for any institution of a card should be displaced and their property seized by a citizen committe for fraud and unconstitutional theft from the people
    any federal implementation of any media coverage that calls for the chip under any false flag scam plan calls for the entire country to rise up against all these criminals with equal or greater force to usurp their faux government
    they will kill me
    I know allready of their plans for me
    I am comprimised
    I have taken initiative to place key documentation in diverse locations to be distributed in the event that I befall natural death, accidents, or outright assassination
    In each case the perps will be identified and the plans will be mass distributed public record in 27 city halls, 13 counties, 19 states, 120 news people, and every patriot group I have knowledge of
    each Citizen Detective should something similar
    each patriot needs to leave a undeniable evidence trail
    from this point on the dead will dominate the telling of this part of history
    I preach the truth
    Christ
    my sovereignty
    my state constitution
    The Constitution as backed by original supporting documents
    but mostly I state clearly
    my hero is Patrick Henry
    for more reasons than just his speach
    he smelld what was wrong with other ideas also
    but
    we got what we got
    and if we dont preserve it now
    then you are all slaves tommorrow when u wake up
    so take a deep breath and realize that this is the mark of the beast as described by God
    if you take it
    you are divorced from Christ
    as for me and my house
    we will serve The Lord
    and
    "give me liberty or else"

     

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    enime, Jan 30th, 2007 @ 9:32pm

    I just wanted to say something

    FBI

     

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    Frank, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 5:14am

    Re: Power without oversight always end the same

    president G.W

    Agreed. And let's be aware of Bill and Hillary's predisposition towards spying as indicated both by Carnivore and the FBI files they collected when first in office.

    Remember: Neither major party is to be trusted.

     

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    Montobon, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 8:04am

    Government/ constitutional rights??

    The Constitutional rights?? Our gov. is in violation of every right this country started with. This country was founded on these rights and it took only a short time for the gov. to start the process of destroying this country by making "amendments" to, or rather a "wordly" way to cancal out these rights. Where in the hell in the Constitution does it say that, "these laws are subject to change without notice or concern of an indiviguals privacy or feelings of the matter." We don't get to vote in most of our gov. matters. We usually find out by breaking this "new law."..Sad isn't it? Montobon

     

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    A, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 8:23am

    sad/ true/ a mirror

    look in and seewhat looks back
    in this moment it is either clear or you are allready walking dead
    look around
    who is awake
    if they are not awake then they are????????????

    asleep

    if they are asleep NOW

    they have been compromised by default

    let the dead bury their own dead

    tending to the ones who want slavery is futile

    we stand up now or its over allready

    words are not enough and that statement alone is 50 years too late allready

    it was too late the day after the fed res act
    it was a day late after they imposed the illegal income tax

    it is so many steps past too late now it is impossible to describe in words

    rally around Ed Brown and every person who says NO today

    start the chain reaction today

    echo it in every phone conversation, every email, every letter to editors, every petition to our leaders, every call into news people

    yell it from the roof tops today people or we are done

    meet them with forks if you have to but do not let them continue "not one more second"

    300 million people live here

    how many are "we the people"

    FREEDOM.................................................................................. .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... ............................................................................................

     

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    a, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 9:57am

    Some of you folks need some help

    Damm, what, did you lose your tin-foil hat?

    The govts job is to protect its people. We expect that, we demand that. It also has to respect their rights. We give up certain things for safety, public opinion determines when the govt. goes too far. You don't like what is going on, then make your voice heard (and not on websites, that does no good).

    I wonder how many of the people who spout out their bullshit even vote. One vote might not mean much, but if you don't vote, you mean nothing at all.

     

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    A, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 10:44am

    Cynthia McKinney

    You are the enemy fool
    your ignorance of facts echos in your dreamworld
    every forum is a pulpit
    every media is a soapbox
    you are decieved and destitute
    your thoughts are your poverty
    your paper is your bankruptcy
    your mouth spills the void and comes to ruin
    list your research
    list your sources
    you have not done your homework
    you have believed a lie
    so you mirror a lie
    and you live a lie
    when your bubble is burst you will be in shackles by the hand of the very people you admire
    or
    you will be turned and you will willingly turn in your brother for profit of bananas
    good monkey
    heres your bananas
    people who do not know the law nor exercize it are the enemy
    fools like you are the terrorists
    fools like you fell for the beguiling words of hitler
    people like you bought and paid for the fascism of musolini
    people like you welcome the men of power in this world to bend you over and stick it to your sphinkter and then you give them a reach around and after you give them 40% of your income
    day in and day out you hand over your honor and your hind parts
    you will turn over your own flesh and blood to the murderers and the rapists to save your own hide
    you have no honor
    and mark my words you and all like you wont see it until you are buried by it

     

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    A, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 11:36am

    Re: Some of you folks need some help

    the foudation of protection is your responsibility to protect yourself
    the fact that you cite for yourself that you have given your protection to someone else is the evidence that your laziness and your apathy resound louder than your idiocy
    no dollars are paid for your protection
    no voice is heard from your vote
    you call people names when they try to tell you the truth and you mock investigation, research, factfinding
    who then do you trust to do your work for you?
    same people you trust to protect you
    your responsibility is self evident in your ignorance
    you have given yourself the responsibility to become numb from the neck up
    you are programmed by your protectors to see what they want you to see
    bend over my friend
    your daily dose of tyrranical intrusion is coming
    hapily hunker down and take it up your tail pipe
    smile and watch the ballgame
    call your friends and discuss the latest hooters tshirt commercial
    surf some porn because you are truly free buddy
    nighty night sleeping beauty
    no need to wake up now
    your soul is lost

     

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    Anonymous, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 2:22pm

    Larger than Carnivore.

    I thought that the only way the constitution could be suspended is during a national state of emergency. e.x. Nukuler Strike from an enemy nation.
    911 could have been one. We aren't in a state of emergency. Congress has not been suspended and therefore the constitution is not suspended. We are a nation of laws and rights. As far as I know we don't have a Ceasar we have a President and a republic. With a sennate that has full oversight power. 911 has the look and feel of the Reichstag burning and the subsequent services of the Gestapo and other SS units used for secret security purposes that developed. They were above the law and a tragic war fell upon the world. I could go on but I won't. Those that are interested study further we don't have to repeat history on a more technological level.

     

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    A, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 2:32pm

    ponder this

    let him who exercizes understanding
    that means
    every waking moment take note of all that is happening around you
    and act in kind with valor
    if you make a mistake admit it
    if you see a lie expose it
    if you are bribed refuse it
    if you see the enemy and his plan announce it

    listen to the words of jfk
    the reason they SILENCED HIM is that he understood what needed to be said and what needed to be done
    he never claimed to be perfect and neither do I
    but they have erected a secret agenda corporate state for illegal profit and control
    that is not freedom son
    that is pure corporatism (better known as fascism)
    where there is a perfect greed motivated merger of the corporations and the power hungry criminality of out of control government
    tell me im wrong you self proclaimed intelectual giant
    do the math on all activities of the major players from vietnam to the gulf
    allways the same deal
    drugs, guns, money (repeat)
    bankers, assassins and insurance
    now the entire machine wants ALL the land
    ALL the money
    ALL the power
    and ALL the people as slave labor
    hooked on every pharmatype of a cornucopia of drugs and NO BRAIN to know the difference
    take ur pills little one
    we got a long day of servitude planned for you tommorrow
    we will take care of all the details
    dont you bother with all the little things
    its too much for you
    we will manage your money, your time, your blood
    time to get up and make my war parts

    WAKE UP DUMBASS
    WAKE UP

     

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    NATIONAL-SECURITY-4-US/S.COLLINS, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 6:01pm

    it's for stopping commications like this TRUE STOR

    DEAR MR.COOPER, 12/26/06 - 7:04 PM
    I HAVE BEEN FOR SOME TIME NOW CHALLENGING AUTHORITY TO RECTIFY & RESOLVE THESE MATTERS ONLY TO HAVE NO JUSTIFICATION HAPPEN WHATSOEVER..
    I BELIEVE I HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROPER PROTOCOL IN ORDER TO COLLECT THE REWARDS THAT WERE OFFERED AS STATED IN THAT 5/26/04 PRESS CONFERENCE BY ASHCROFT & MUELLER...
    FOR PROTECTING OUR NATION & GETTING MOST WANTED TERRORISTS CAPTURED AS WELL AS STOPPING A IMMINENT ATTACK I AM PUNISHED FOR REVEALING THIS TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO INDIRECTLY REVEALED MY IDENTITY BY HOLDING SENATE INTELLIGENCE HEARINGS IN LATE 2004 & EARLY 2005...
    ONE HEARING GRILLED - GONZALES/MUELLER & GOSS..MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNOW OF THIS & SEEM RELUCTANT TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES...
    AS YOU WILL READ BELOW A LETTER SENT TO THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY WHICH I BELIEVED RUINED THE INVESTIGATION BY NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION FROM ME FIRST & WORK THEIR WAY UP THE LADDER INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO THE WHITE HOUSE FIRST...
    I DO HOPE THAT BY SENDING THIS SOME ACTION MAY BE TAKEN THAT CAN REVEAL & UNCOVER THE TRUTH AS I AM STATING IT TO BE...
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTIVENESS...SINCERELY YOURS - STEPHEN COLLINS...
    PS..THERE IS MUCH MORE THEN MEETS THE EYE WITH ALL OF THESE MATTERS..

    Dear Office of Professional Responsibility, SENT CERTIFIED 9/13/05
    SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION
    On 5/27/04,from a newspaper I received the 7 photos from the 5/26/04 PRESS CONF. of U.S.ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT & FBI DIRECTOR MUELLER...On 5/29/04,after 300+ miles driven & 9 hours later of being on the lookout & hunting these people down...About 5:30-5:35 PM,I noticed a car tailgating me HAD 2 OF THE 7 PEOPLE IN QUESTION,after POSITIVELY IDENTIFYING these 2 as the 2 in the photos,I forced them to pass me,to acquire the vehicles'license plate information...
    ***(Please refer to 6/21/04 fax sent to Mr.Ashcroft as well as President Bush.)
    I called a U.S.COAST GUARD friend,who in turn VERIFIED the captures,as well as family in FEDERAL GOVT.,as well as a Sheriff Dept. Captain,I've assisted in the past,who is part of a J.T.T.F.- JOINT TERRORIST TASK FORCE TEAM - My friend in the COAST GUARD told me "THAT FEDERAL OFFICIALS WILL TRY TO COVER THIS UP,NO 911 CALL,I DID NOTHING,
    TO AVOID PAYING THE REWARD OF $ 25 MILLION - FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED - HAD ON HIS CAPTURE AT THE TIME" which was changed twice since then - once I was aware MY ACTIONS were going to be denied,I CONTACTED CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS TO SAFEGUARD THIS,who in turn held some hearings I saw openly & of course CLOSED DOOR HEARINGS...
    It did not take long for people to realize,from whom these hearings arose from,I contacted NO PRESS OR ATTORNEYS,I believed I followed proper PROTOCOL,in seeking COMPENSATION FOR MY ACTIONS...Now it seems someone will not allow the PROPER AUTHORITIES TO NOMINATE ME FOR THE REWARDS - THROUGH THE REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAM...Then on 6/8/04,I called MIAMI-FBI WITH INTEL ON 4 VECHILES,ONE I BELIEVED TO BE AHMED KHALFAN GHAILANI WITH "SPECIFIC DETAILS",only to hear on 7/25/04 he was captured,yet found overseas,A PLOY I BELIEVE TO DENY PAYING ANOTHER $ 25 MILLION REWARD THEN,which was changed twice after both were CAPTURED,to up to 25 million & now up to 5 million...
    Congressional hearings arose after the 3 were captured,& in 11/04 my life turned sour,with a VINDICTIVE VANDETTA TO SILENCE ME & CRIPPLE ME LEGALLY & ECONOMICALLY - I was pulled over 4 times in 4 days,for no apparent reason & let go...I believe DOJ OR FBI WERE TRYING TO FIND A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO STOP-ARREST & OR DETAIN ME..Well on 11/21/04,
    I believe I had a FEDERALLY FABRICATED MOTOR VEHICLE STOP - performed on me using Aerial Surveillance(BREVARD COUNTY)& LEARNING MY AGENDA BY ILLEGALLY WIRETAPPING MY CELL PHONE,LEARNING MY EVERY MOVE...At 7:15
    AM on a Sunday going to work(11/21/04) - I was stopped with a FALSE PROBABLE CAUSE PREMISE - VERY IMPORTANT PAPERS - LETTERS - FAXES - PLUS INTELLIGENCE WAS SEIZED OUT OF MY CAR,& SENT TO THE FBI,AS DEPUTY STATED UNDER OATH IN OPEN COURT...
    The evidence in my favor (cars' camera) was suddenly inoperable,I FIRMLY BELIEVE FBI INFLUENCED MANY OF THESE MATTERS - MULTIPLE CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS - THE COURT PROCEEDINGS & OUTCOME - MY 6 MONTHS LOST OF GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT - A JUDICIAL QUALIFICATION COMMISSIONS' DECISION,
    PROBATION & EVERYTHING ALONG THE WAY...
    (PLUS A HOST OF OTHER CRIMINAL -N- CIVIL VIOLATIONS)
    I can say this with CERTAINTY,due to the way a FBI FT.PIERCE FIELD OFFICE AGENT spoke to me,upon me calling this office in early 6/04 - telling of this 5/29/04 incident,only to be treated with ARROGANCE - IGNORANCE & DISRESPECT & ALL FUTURE CALLS WENT TO MIAMI-FBI...My friend in the COAST GUARD KNEW OF ANY & ALL INFORMATION PRIOR TO & FIRSTHAND BEFORE ANY CALLS TO MIAMI-FBI - SINCE ALL VISUALS I HAD OCCURRED ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY...
    After the 5/29/04 captures of F.A.M.& A.S.,ON 6/5/04 I SPOT 2 MORE -ONE I LOST - YET LOCATED AGAIN ON MY RETURN TRIP & ANOTHER I ACQUIRED ALL RELEVANT VEHICLE INFORMATION - CALL COAST GUARD FRIEND & TELL HIM SPECIFIC INTEL. TO FOLLOW UP ON,THEN ON 6/6/04 I SPOT WHO I BELIEVE WAS GHAILANI - CALLED MY COAST GUARD FRIEND & SAID I WAS CALLING MIAMI-FBI ON MONDAY WITH WHAT I ACQUIRED - ON 6/8/04,I CALL MIAMI-FBI & GAVE ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION & I WAS ASKED WHY I AM NOT CALLING CLOSER FIELD OFFICES & I EXPLAINED MYSELF THOROUGHLY...
    Unfortunately my carpentry employment took me to Orlando,which totally disrupted me from patrolling the area in which those were spotted at...Now I am PUNISHED BEYOND BELIEF FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH & POSSIBLY EXPOSING POTENTIAL CORRUPTION - THROUGH DENIAL OF MY ACTIONS -PAYMENT OF THE REWARDS' COMPENSATION & POTENTIAL THEFT OF THE SAME...
    I WAS CIVIL - PATIENT - TRYING TO ACQUIRE INFORMATION ONLY TO BE SPUN IN A CIRCLE WHICH FORCED ME TO SAFEGUARD THESE MATTERS - IN - BY & THROUGH CONGRESS...
    ***ALSO I AM AWARE BOTH INDIVIDUALS (F.A.M.+ A.K.G.) - WERE IN POSSESSION OF LAPTOPS & ONCE HACKED - PROVIDED MANY MORE ARRESTS GLOBALLY - WITH PROBABLE REWARD OR BOUNTY IMPLICATIONS - ONLY TO BE DENIED COMPENSATION ALTOGETHER...

    HERE IS HOW MY CIVIL RIGHTS - ARE - HAVE & CONTINUE TO BE VIOLATED...
    1ST AMENDMENT - PUNISHED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH - WHILE TRYING TO COLLECT THE REWARDS FOR MY ACTIONS (CALLS MADE) - VAST POTENTIAL FOR CORRUPTION...
    4TH AMENDMENT - ILLEGALLY SEIZING PAPERWORK FROM MY CAR - FROM A FBI OR
    DOJ OR A HIGHER COMMAND TO STOP ME ILLEGALLY - IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE (PAPERS) - TO KNOW WHAT WAS SAID & TO WHOM - LETTERS & FAXES WERE SENT TO THE FBI...
    5TH AMENDMENT - SEIZED PROPERTY W/OUT JUST COMPENSATION - INTELLIGENCE & INFORMATION THAT HAS LED TO ON-GOING ARRESTS & INVESTIGATIONS...
    6TH AMENDMENT - JUDGE DENIED MY RIGHT TO A JURY TRIAL - MOST LIKELY FROM INTIMIDATION & OTHER TACTICS...
    8TH AMENDMENT - AS I CONTINUE TRYING TO COLLECT COMPENSATION FOR MY ACTIONS WHICH OUTSMARTS DOJ & FBI - WHEN THEY LEARN OR HEAR WHAT I AM DOING - SOMEHOW MY OUTRAGEOUS PROBATION CONDITIONS GET WORSE...
    9TH AMENDMENT - A ARRAY OF RIGHTS DENIED - OBVIOUSLY BY COMMAND FROM A HIGHER AUTHORITY...
    14TH AMENDMENT - RIGHTS ABRIDGED - DEPRIVED OF PROPERTY - DENIED EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS BEING A NATURAL BORN AMERICANS CITIZEN...
    ***WHISTLEBLOWER - IN A NON-CONVENTIONAL WAY - REVEALED THE TRUTH & POTENTIAL ABUSE - FRAUD & POSSIBLE THEFT OF THE REWARD MONEY...
    ***I WROTE DEPUTY DIRECTOR BENJAMIN RENYA - U.S. MARSHAL SERVICE FOR MY "PROTECTION RIGHTS" - GUARANTEED THROUGH THE U.S. STATE DEPTS' -"REWARD FOR JUSTICE PROGRAM" - (HE RESIGNED SOON THEREAFTER LIKELY CONFRONTING GONZALES & OR BUSH ON THESE MATTERS)
    ***PATRIOT ACT VIOLATIONS - ILLEGAL ROVING WIRETAP - THAT NO JUDGE WOULD APPROVE OF -UNLESS SAID IN A WAY TO CONVINCE THE JUDGE OTHERWISE TO APPROVE IT - (IN VIOLATION OF THE F.I.S.A. STATUE)- 3 PHONE NUMBERS ARE CONSTANTLY MONITORED TO SEE WHO I CALL - LISTEN WHAT I SAY & THEN CALL THEM BACK & INTIMIDATE THOSE THAT I CALL - INTERCEPTING MY MAIL - ALL MAJOR CRIMINAL FEDERAL OFFENSES...
    (SOMEONE IS TRYING VEHEMENTLY TO STOP ME FROM ACQUIRING A CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY & WILL DO WHATEVER IS POSSIBLE - INCLUDING THE THREAT OF THE DREADED "NSL" LETTER IS ON THE WAY)
    ONE CALL TO REP. MARKEY (MASS) OFFICE IN D.C. WAS NOT CONNECTED DELIBERATELY - CALLED BACK ON ANOTHER LINE & DOCUMENTED THE EVENT WITH THE MEMBER OF HIS STAFF...
    THE REPERCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN GLOBAL - THE WRONGS COMMITTED ON ME - SOMEONE WHO MORE THAN LIKELY STOPPED OUR NEXT 911 - THRU 4 EXPENSIVE HURRICANES - 12/26 TSUNAMI & NOW THE UTTER DESTRUCTION OF A MAJOR CITY/PORT...STEPHEN COLLINS...321-951-8314...

    HTTP://NATIONAL-SECURITY-4U.BLOGSPOT.COM/ - 911 call + chain of events.
    HTTP://LOW_DOWN69.LIVEJOURNAL.COM/ - HOW I BELIEVED IT WAS COVERED UP.
    PLEASE READ WHAT THE 14TH AMENDMENT - SECTION 5 STATES...
    ALSO "PUBLIC LAW-98-533" NOW KNOWN AS "THE REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAM"
    "PUBLIC-LAW-98-533"-WRITTEN IN 1978 TO COMBAT INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM..

     

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    A, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 6:52pm

    Re: it's for stopping commications like this TRUE

    My God
    My Gutz
    And My Gunz
    are with this hero
    against real terrorists

    add me to the list
    of supporters of your cause

    and let us all join in NOW and unite under one cause to take america back today

    the enemy will not help us in any way

    they resist the true fighters of terrism
    why
    because they work with eachother

    drugs, guns, money (repeat)

    check out "who is john o'neil? a dead art film

    it shows the entire web woven for blood profit

    then watch 911 the octopus

    shows why they cant arrest anyone and give the reward

    from what I see in the video

    there were NO Planes

    you watch it and decide for yourselves

    im done giving these criminals the benefit of the doubt

    they throw every law in the book at us unjustly

    but even NOW when the evidence is a mile high against them we still cant get anywhere legally

    they will not be brought to justice through the courts

    all the agencies and all the courts are fully and undeniably corrupt

    remember these blogs because the nexxt thing you will see is a couple more people destroyed for speaking the truth

     

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    NATIONAL-SECURITY-4-US, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 7:56pm

    CRIMINAL CONDUCT EQUATABLE TO TREASON

    MY FELLOW AMERICANS & ANYONE ELSE WHO MAYBE ILLEGALLY MONITORING OR INTERCEPTING
    THESE FACTS AS THOSE WHO KNOW - KNOW THEM
    TO BE - "THE TRUTH"
    ANYONE WITH A SHRED OF INTELLIGENCE ON THEIR SHOULDERS ALONG WITH A BRAIN THAT CAN
    READ & TRULY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY ARE READING CAN COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT SERIOUS CRIMINAL CONDUCT HAS HAPPENED & IS STILL CONTINUING TO BE COVERED UP BY ANYONE WHO MAY VOICE THEIR OPINIONS OVER THIS LIKE MANY MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENTS' CABINET DID RESIGN OVER THESE MATTERS...AND I CAN NAME NAMES...
    WHAT HAS OCCURRED IS TREASONOUS & THE CRIME OF TREASON IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH - BY
    FIRING SQUAD...HANGING LIKE SADDAM IS OUTDATED - PLUS A BULLET IS CHEAPER ON THE TAXPAYERS' WALLET...
    I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THIS IS TREASONOUS - 5/26/2004 A JOINT PRESS CONF. WAS HELD BY THEN U.S.ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN
    ASHCROFT & F.B.I. DIRECTOR ROBERT MUELLER IN IT "THEY ASKED ALL AMERICANS TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR 7 SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS...WELL IN 12 DAYS - I HUNTED DOWN & SPOTTED 6 OF THE 7
    2 WERE CAPTURED FROM MY 911 CALL IN PORT ST. LUCIE,FLORIDA ON 5/29/2004 AT 5:42 PM...
    WITHIN 72 HOURS OF THIS PRESS CONFERENCE FAZUL ABDULLAH MOHAMMED & AAFIA SIDDIQUI WERE CAPTURED - F.A.M. HAD A 25 MILLION DOLLAR REWARD ON HIS CAPTURE AT THE TIME OF HIS CAPTURE FOR HIS ALLEDGED INVOLVEMENT IN THE 1998 U.S. EMBASSY BOMBINGS IN AFRICA...
    BECAUSE NO MEDIA OUTLETS OR PAPER PRESS WOULD INVESTIGATE MY CLAIMS - OR FOR THAT MATTER MANY PROMINENT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
    IN BOTH THE HOUSE/SENATE IN THE JUDICIARY OR
    INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES ASKED FOR OR SOUGHT
    A IMMEDIATE INVESTIGATION INTO MY CLAIMS...
    BY NOT DOING SO A EVEN GREATER CRIME OCCURRED - THAT I TOLD MY MOTHER COULD OR WOULD HAPPEN EVENTUALLY TO COVER IT UP EVEN MORE - SHIT SILENCE THE PIECE OF SHIT TERRORIST BY DELIBERATELY KILLING HIM...
    RECENTLY IT WAS REPORTED PEOPLE BELIEVED SOME HIGH TERROR LEADERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 1998 ATTACKS WERE IN SOMALIA & THE U.S. PROCEDED TO BOMB THE AREA HOPING TO KILL THE MOST WANTED TERRORIST (FAM) WHO WAS UNDER U.S. INDICTMENT IN THE FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT OF NEW YORK AT THE TIME HE (FAM) WAS CAPTURED IN AMERICA - 5/29/2004...
    NOW 1/??/2007 - 2 1/2 YEARS LATER HE (FAM) WAS RELEASED FROM CUSTODY - ON A LEASH TO THE JUNGLES OF SOMALIA - SO U.S. FORCES CAN KILL HIM ONCE & FOR ALL SO THAT ANYTHING HE KNOWS GOES TO THE GRAVE WITH HIM - DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES - VERY TREASONOUS...
    THEN IT IS REPORTED THAT OFFICIALS ARE UNAWARE IF THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE 3 TARGETS THEY WERE GOING AFTER & FROM ALL THE REPORTS I HEARD IT IS LIKELY THE TOP TARGETS GOT AWAY...
    SO A MOST WANTED TERRORIST UNDER U.S. INDICTMENT SINCE 1998/1999 IS CAPTURED IN AMERICA ON 5/29/2004 IS HELD FOR 2 1/2 YEARS THEN IS LET GO TO BE KILLED TO BE SILENCED TO COVER UP THE CRIMES THAT WERE ALREADY REPORTED TO MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS FROM 6/2004 ON TO PRESENT DAY AS WELL AS MANY NEWS OUTLETS & TALK SHOWS AS WELL AS NUMEROUS NEWSPAPERS AS WELL AS SOME PROMINENT CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEYS WHO DO NOT HAVE THE BALLS TO TAKE MY CASE & REPRESENT ME FOR SAVING OUR NATION FROM A IMMINENT ATTACK THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT OR DID THEY...
    IT SEEMS LIKE A ATTACK AT THIS TIME WOULD HAVE INITIATED EXECUTIVE ORDER 13083 WHICH WOULD HAVE SUSPENDED THE U.S. CONSTITUTION
    ENACT MARTIAL LAW & CONGRESS COULD NOT DEBATE THE ORDER FOR 6 MONTHS WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN US PAST ELECTION DAY 2004 - SO DID I FUCK UP SOMEBODYS' GAME PLAN IF PLAN "B"
    WAS TO STEAL THE VOTES & THIS TIME IT WAS IN OHIO...
    THESE MATTERS INTERTWINE THE "NSA" WIRETAPPING SURVEILLANCE - THE SECRET "CIA" PRISONER TRANSPORTS - THE MILITARY COMMISSIONS' ACT & TO EXPLAIN MYSELF THOROUGHLY WOULD TAKE AWHILE - I WILL SAY THIS MUCH AT LEAST A DOZEN CALLS WERE MADE TO ASHCROFTS' & BUSHS' COMMENT LINE AFTER SEPT. 11TH - IN OR AROUND FEB/MARCH/APRIL-2002 - THE MESSAGES ALL DEALT WITH NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES - THE WAR ON TERROR & HOW I THOUGHT & CONVENED TO THEM - HOW TO MAKE AMERICA ITS' ABSOLUTE SAFEST - BY THE WAY ALMOST EVERY CONCEPT I TOLD THEM WERE PUT INTO PRACTICE...

    NOW THE 14TH AMENDMENT TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION SECTION 4 STATES:
    "THE VALIDITY OF THE PUBLIC DEBT OF THE UNITED STATES,AUTHORIZED BY LAW,INCLUDING DEBTS INCURRED FOR PAYMENT OF PENSIONS & BOUNTIES FOR SERVICES IN SUPPRESSING INSURRECTION OR REBELLION, SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED"

    SECTION 5 : "CONGRESS SHALL HAVE POWER TO ENFORCE,BY APPROPRIATE LEGISLATION, THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ARTICLE"

    YEA RIGHT THEY KNOW & ARE DOING NOTHING...

    1978 CONGRESS PASSES A LAW TO COMBAT INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM BY PLACING REWARDS
    OR BOUNTIES ON PEOPLE SUSPECTED OF ACTS OF TERRORISM OR AFFILIATED WITH SUCH PEOPLE...
    "PUBLIC LAW - 98-533" HAD CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT & MONEY APPROPRIATED FOR THIS ENDEAVOR...

    BUSH GETS IN OFFICE & RE-WRITES THIS BY CALLING IT "THE REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAM"
    WITH "NO OVERSIGHT WHATSOEVER" A RECIPE FOR WIDE-SPREAD & RAMPANT CORRUPTION WHICH
    HAS OCCURRED & NO ONE WANTS TO INVESTIGATE
    THAT THE CRIMINAL CONDUCT THAT HAS BEEN COMMITTED IS EQUAL TO TREASON...

    WHY HIDE IT OR COVER IT UP - THE ONLY LOGICAL REASON WOULD BE BESIDES JEALOUSY & ENVY IS TO HAVE HAD THEIR HANDS IN IT SOMEHOW - USE YOUR IMAGINATION...

    SO TO CIRCUMVENT THE CONSTITUTION BUSH SWORE TO UPHOLD - LIE TO THE PEOPLE & THE PRESS - BY THE WAY IS NOT FREE ANYMORE - LIE TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT HAVE HELD SOME
    HEARINGS REGARDING A NUMBER OF MATTERS ARISING FROM THESE EVENTS & DELIBERATELY VIOLATE MY CIVIL & CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ALL
    BECAUSE I TOLD MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OF HIS PLANNED CORRUPTION IS TREASONIST & ALL THOSE WHO KNOW & ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH DESERVE THE SAME FATE AS SADDAM HUSSEIN & ARE NO BETTER THEN THE TERRORISTS THAT I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING CAPTURED
    & THEY WONDER WHY NOTHING IS GOING RIGHT FOR THEM ---- DUHHH - YOU FUCKED ME OVER NOW YOU ARE GETTING YOURS & UNFORTUNATELY FAR TOO MANY SOLDIERS WHO VOLUNTEERED TO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY ARE BEING PUT IN HARMS WAY - TO BE KILLED BY SENSELESS VIOLENCE THOSE IN POWER STARTED...

    A PERSONS' EYES & KNOWLEDGE IS SOMEONES' BEST WEAPONS - I HUNTED THEM DOWN TO I FOUND THEM - MADE A 911 CALL & THEY WERE CAPTURED - NO GUN BATTLE ENSUED - NO BLOOD WAS SPILLED & A ATTACK WAS AVERTED ONLY FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION TO EVENTUALLY RELEASE THIS PERSON TO COVER UP THEIR TRAIL OF CRIMES...CATCHING THE BAD GUYS CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT & I AM LIVING PROOF...

    NOW FOR THE CIA SECRET PRISONER TRANSPORTS
    AHAMED KHALFAN GHAILANI ANOTHER (MWT) W/A
    25 MILLION DOLLAR BOUNTY AS WELL - WAS SPOTTED ON 6/6/2004 & MIAMI-FBI WAS CALLED ON 6/8/2004 & THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HE IS CAPTURED IN PAKISTAN - WELL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE TOLD OF WHAT I BELIEVED HAPPENED - GHAILANI WAS FOUND IN FLORIDA & FLOWN OVERSEAS TO BE CAPTURED TO DENY PAYING HIS REWARDS AS WELL - THEN THE SECRET CIA PRISONER TRANSPORTS STORY CAME TO LIGHT AFTER I WROTE DANA PRIEST ABOUT IT
    WHO WON A AWARD FOR HER INVESTIGATION GETTING TO THE TRUTH...

    AS A MATTER OF FACT BUSH - CHENEY - MUELLER -
    RICE - GONZALES CAN ALL BE HELD LIABLE AS WELL
    AS MANY OTHERS WHO CHOSE TO TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - THE PRESS & NEWS MEDIA AS
    WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS OUTRIGHT LIES THEN & WHILE UNDER OATH AT SPECIAL COMMITTEE HEARINGS INSTEAD OF TELLING THE TRUTH...

    MY FELLOW AMERICANS THAT CLEARLY SPELLS:
    "ABUSE OF POWER"
    "CIRCUMVENTING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION"
    "VIOLATING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION"
    "UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR BY GOVT. OFFICIALS"
    "VIOLATING THE PUBLICS' TRUST"
    "CRIMES"-"CONSPIRACY"-"COVER-UPS"-"CORRUPTION

    WHICH MUST SPAWN A SPECIAL CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION - CLEARLY CRIMES WERE COMMITTED THAT CALLS FOR IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINDS & THE FACTS WILL DISCLOSE THE REST - A GUILTY VERDICT NOT ONLY FOR ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT BY ALSO FOR OPENLY
    COMMITTING TREASON ON MULTIPLE LEVELS...

     

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    NATIONAL-SECURITY-4-US, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 8:02pm

    Re: Re: it's for stopping commications like this T

    LIKE MOLLY IVINS...

    JUST TYPED LIKE 2 HOURS OF MORE TRUTH & I KNEW I SHOULD OF COPIED IT - TO PASTE IT ELSEWHERE IN CASE THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT

    THAT LAST POST - POST FOR ALL TO READ THE TRUTH OR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT LIKE THEY ALL WILL...

     

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    I.M. ELOHIM, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 8:29pm

    THERE IS NO JUSTICE - "JUST US"

    LIKE MOLLY IVINS & VARIOUS OTHERS...

    PNEUMONIA SEEMS TO LOOK LIKE THE ALL NEW & IMPROVED DEADLY INDUCED KILLER ONCE ONE GETS A BUG OR VIRUS...

    NOW STORY NUMBER 25 "THE TRUTH" NO ONE WILL INVESTIGATE IS SUDDENLY "SPAM"

    THAT WAS SENT TO YOU KNOW "KEEPING THEM HONEST" - CNNS' ANDERSON COPPER & ASKED TO FORWARD IT TO THEIR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS' UNIT FOR A IN DEPTH THOROUGH INVESTIGATION.

    ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT - FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH & CHOOSING NOT TO REPORT IT OR INVESTIGATE IT...

    HOW DO WE HAVE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS - WHEN
    THE PRESS HAS TO GET CONFIRMATION OF A STORY FROM A HIGH LEVEL GOVT. OFFICIAL BEFORE IT CAN BE REPORTED ON - WHEN THE GOVT. CAN LIE TO COVER IT UP...

    OBVIOUSLY STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH IS NOT CREDIBLE ANY MORE - ONLY THE ORIGINAL PARTICIPANT OF A STORY CAN GIVE SOMEONE THE ENTIRE STORY - COMMENT NUMBER 25 IS NOT
    SPAM IT IS THE TRUTH -- POST THAT OTHER COMMENT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE JUST HOW MUCH CORRUPTION IS RUNNING AMUCK IN THE HALLS OF THE NATIONS' CAPITOL- WHICH VIOLATES THE R.I.C.O. ACT EVERYDAY AS WELL AS TREASON BEING COMMITTED AT WILL UPON THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ITSELF...

    NOW GOD KNOWS YOU KNOW - BRING LIGHT TO THE WORLD & TELL THE TRUTH SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH

    OR CHOOSE TO CONCEAL IT & HIDE IT BRINGING OUR NATION AMERICA INTO DEEPER DARKER WATERS - THAT WILL BE CALLED INTO ACCOUNT ONE DAY SOON - SOON ENOUGH...

    "THE TRUTH" IS "THE TRUTH"- & "SPAM" = "LIES"

    I DO NOT SPAM IT IS AGAINST MY RELIGION & IS
    AGAINST MY CHARACTER & I WOULD ONLY BE LYING ABOUT MY NATION - SOMETHING I DID TAKE
    VERY SERIOUSLY & SINGLEHANDEDLY DEFEATED...

     

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    brad, Jan 31st, 2007 @ 10:58pm

    Re: ya baby

    dude take your meds

     

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  31.  
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    brit, Feb 1st, 2007 @ 11:58am

    Re: Line up...

    who was it that said that a people that give up freedom for security end up with neither?

     

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  32.  
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    A, Feb 1st, 2007 @ 5:31pm

    helo?

    this guy from 911 octopuss is either a genius who has finally analized everything for us and given us a great side by side by side comparison of the hoax
    or
    we are all the stupidest sheeple, chattle, cannon fodder, dumbasses, flatheads, nimrods and morons ever to live

    i will quote him

    "I aint no ones bitch, I refuse to pretend I have no brain, no eyes, no common sense"

    "I aint no ones bitch, I refuse to go along with the convenient answer and not ask questions"

    "I aint no ones bitch, I refuse to concur with the poorly acted cover story any longer"

     

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    pastorjames tighe, Feb 10th, 2007 @ 9:39pm

    have them take my phone of there list that i wont

     

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