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   I agree it's dumb, but a private security guard ca

   

   David T, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:03am

   
   

   The solution is dumb, even if the problem is real.
   
   With the current tort climate a private guard can't really do much at all to stop people from leaving. If he/she ever accidentally stopped an innocent party you can guarantee there'd be a wrongful detainder suit within days (if not a racial profiling suit as well). Worse, if he or anybody else got hurt in a physical confrontation with a dine-and-dash patron then there would a guaranteed judgement.
   
   The "problem" with our enlightened society is that the sum of individual protections of rights (on the whole the tort system is a good an necessary thing) sometimes adds up to a system that defies common sense (a private security guard can't do much more than take notes and call the "real" police).

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   whatever

   

   Old News, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:05am

   
   

   Heard about this on the news 2 days ago. If they're having too many dine and dash problems, I think it's a great idea. But, I guess if IHOP doesn't mind losing money on bums eating for free, that's up to them.
   
   Only thing is it's the poor sap that makes minimum wage at the location that will get in trouble. But at least IHOP is being "PC" toward bums and the homeless.

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   The King is in the McBuilding..

   

   The infamous Joe, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:26am

   
   

   If dine and dash is such a problem, why not just make people pay BEFORE they get their food.
   
   It works for fast food.. right?
   
   As far as the actual topic, I had over my credit card at any bar where I think I'll have more than 2 drinks (aka all of them) and have never had a second thought about it. I also have to show them my ID, which is pretty much all they need to become me. (rugged good looks and razor sharp wit notwithstanding)
   
   I guess what I'm trying to say is IHOP should start serving booze, and no one will mind handing over identification. (and when the bar closes, you're already there)

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   Nice...

   

   Michael, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:30am

   
   

   Can you imagine just asking someone for their personal info, and they would actually give it to you? Also, I think the word is "our" personal favorite, not "are".
   
   Also, good point about the credit card vs. drivers license.
   
   That's it, from now on I'm not handing my personal info over to those nice men whenever I need to use the walmart bathroom

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   I'm in MA

   

   Cleverboy, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 4:53am

   
   

   I've been to that iHop and the one in Watertown, where I saw someone dine and dash as I was going in one night. It's really terrible. If everyone loses because of the idiots out there, wtf, you know? Bad policy. Real problem. Humans are assholes sometimes. What can you do?

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   typo

   

   rstr5105, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 5:01am

   
   

   "...or are personal..."
   
   in any event, that's the most retarded thing I have heard in ages, well, at least a couple days. Hand over my license to eat some overpriced prefab pancakes? screw that, I'll go to mcdonalds. they have a drive through.

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   Pay In Advance

   

   Dam, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 5:31am

   
   

   That's the solution - pay in advance, like McDs, Wendy's and all the others. I live near that restaurant and if I'd been there and asked for my ID, I'd tell them to drop dead.
   
   Chew-n-screw is a big problem for restaurants, so prepay is the only solution. No one's getting my ID for any reason.

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   Free Food Stash with Dine-N-Dash

   

   Tuck Fard, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:02am

   
   

   That's the way to save the day, Prepay all the way. Dine-n-dash will no more taunt the loley IHOP Resturaunt.
   
   I like boobies.

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   Spelling and Grammar

   

   Mr. Charley, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:03am

   
   

   Ladies and Gents,
   
   Authors and Commenters that contribute to this forum appear to be, by and large, a group of bright aware induviduals. When they contribute here, they are doing so quickly, and probably in the midst of a busy workday or other distraction.
   
   The last thing they need is a "grammar [or] spelling troll" who has a bug in their bloomers for absolute correctness, what ever that is.
   
   This is not best selling literature, but intelligent discourse produced on the fly. Would the typo-catchers and grammar freaks *please* give it a rest and let the content continue!

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    Re: Pay In Advance

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:04am

    
    

    As so many have already pointed out the solution is so simple that you can fuck your stupid security gaurd right off and forget about id checks and all that crap.
    
    3 words.
    
    PAY UP FRONT.

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    fens, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:06am

    
    

    "or are personal favorite"
    
    Grammar nazi to the rescue!

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    Re: Spelling and Grammar

    

    Alan, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:20am

    
    

    "a group of bright aware induviduals"
    
    Wow, you must be new here...There are only 3 actually bright aware individuals who visit this site. I know becase I am one of them. All the rest are here just for the free drinks and food. (lol)

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    Re: I'm in MA

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:21am

    
    

    I've been to that iHop and the one in Watertown, where I saw someone dine and dash as I was going in one night. It's really terrible. If everyone loses because of the idiots out there, ***, you know? Bad policy. Real problem. Humans are ******** sometimes. What can you do?

    Next we need to figure out a way to stop bad people from posting profanity in public. Real problem. What can you do?

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14.  

    cheaters

    

    Howard Bowen, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:33am

    
    

    Americans have become a culture of liars. We want to believe the most convincing performance on the theatrical stage, which in essense is a portrayal of a falsification of the actors identity. We are constantly bombarded with misleading information in advertising. People are lured into 'special offers' that often develop into a marketing scam. We are convinced into thinking we need or want products and services that are ultlimately harmfull. The predominant ebb & flo of E-society persists in buttressing the ideology that people are thier own final principality, maintaining that computer technology has the ultimate dominion over eternity. We have removed God from our schools, businesses, and government, promoting the secular humanist theory that the creator who gave us hands and brains and the elements of the earth to work with is not a factor to contend with. Computers can hear your thoughts; try to ask the Creator if you are buying a ticket to damnation the next time you rationalize your cheating, stealing, lying, and thieving.

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15.  

    Re: cheaters

    

    Unknowledgeable Geek, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:40am

    
    

    I love smart people.
    
    Get over yourself dude.
    
    We all going to hell.

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    What loss?

    

    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased), Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:49am

    
    

    IHOP can't be losing too much. $5 for two pancakes, an egg, and two small peices of bacon. Then another $2 for some OJ. I could make a big breakfast for 10 people with $7. You don't even get a good sized breakfast there. The actual cost of the food can't be more than sixty cents. Add a dollar and a half for labor and shipping, that is a helluva profit!

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    Re: Re: Spelling and Grammar

    

    ConceptJunkie, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:09am

    
    

    Well, I came for the free drinks and food, but techdirt wanted to see my ID first.
    
    Of course, when you're talking pancakes, well, let's just say I don't want to admit what I'd do for pancakes.
    
    By the way, nice to meet you. Who's the other one?

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18.  

    American Way

    

    Sam Walton, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:11am

    
    

    Greetings America - I have returned from the dead. We have always let our patrons know that we don't trust them, and we check all receipts at the door of our Sam's Club locations. If you already have a security guard on-staff, what is the problem? Perhaps it is time for a new manager.

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    Decline of Civilization

    

    Old Norse, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:19am

    
    

    In regards to the spelling and grammar issue, 9 of the first 15 posts, as well as the main article itself, contain one or more misspelled words, one or more grammar errors, or both. That's a 67.5% error rate, for you number crunchers. Those of you who shrug such errors off as simply the result of busy folks posting on the fly during their oh-so-busy workday, or decry the "grammar nazis", are only fooling yourselves. You think you could write a coherent and correct sentence if only you took the time. I doubt it, spell-check notwithstanding. As the number of posts on the web by such ignorami seems to increase exponentially, I am reminded of C.M. Kornbluth's "The Marching Morons". You know who you are. Well, perhaps not. My apologies for this lengthy off-topic post; I needed to vent.

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    Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    AC, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:40am

    
    

    " You think you could write a coherent and correct sentence if only you took the time."
    
    Was that supposed to be a question? I didn't see a ? at the end of that statement yet you answered it. Now I'm really confused.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:41am

    
    

    Problem #1: Far higher petty theft and minor crimes being committed by "average" citizens today.
    Problem #2: Companies overreacting to the problem of the still the minority, damaging the experience for the majority
    Problem #3: Dry Bagels

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    Re: Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    Old Norse, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:49am

    
    

    You answered it yourself: it was a statement, not a question. Had it been a question, it would have read, "DO you think you could..." Q.E.D., in regards to both this post and my previous one.

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    Re:

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:49am

    
    

    Problem #3: Dry Bagels
    
    Man I hate dry bagels

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    sean, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:49am

    
    

    They could have you hand over a shoe till you pay so You will not runoff, or even better waste money on an id bracelet that if you try to leave with it on the doors lock trapping you inside. Although it would be a lawsuit waiting to happen if there is a fire.

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    Re: Re: Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:52am

    
    

    Well aren't we special. No offence grammar nazi but troll somewhere else.
    
    Thank you!

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:54am

    
    

    There will be lawsuits no matter what. thanks to a slightly higher crime rate for this type of theft everyone has to pay for it. Granted companies are overreacting but this is what you get when you let your kids run free without a f*cking reality check now and then. I know this from experience, I was one of those kids. ;-)

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    Pancakes or your private life/

    

    Charles Boyle, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 7:59am

    
    

    Dear Tech; IHOP accept the loss Do not pass along your loss to other hnest customers. This bit of common sense is offered to all retailers who put profit before hurting the honest customer. Asking for my 'Drivers License' before delivering the 'Pancakes' hurting and DUMB. The other 'Con Job' being passed around is ' Shop Lifting' seriously hurts the bottom line of these multi national retailers!!!! Give me a break. how many of these large retailers have on staff 'Lawyers and Accountants' to " Shop Lift or Dine and Dash" [So To Speak] the Federal Gov. of every loop hole to improve the bottom line. Do not bother to try to distinguish between right and wrong here, 'Loop Holes' are wrong [Illegal] in the spirit of the Law. My point will be ignored for "Greed and Avarice' REIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Charles Boyle

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28.  

    Treat me like a thief?

    

    Amy Alkon, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:06am

    
    

    Treat me like a thief? I'll go somewhere where they treat me like a valued customer.
    
    Moreover, I'd pay extra just to have good (read: adequate) customer service on my phone, cell phone, etc. Not to talk to a machine or somebody in Calcutta, in other words.

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    Re: Re:

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:14am

    
    

    Huh? As opposed to wet bagels?

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    Re: Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    Unabashed Critic, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:16am

    
    

    No, that was not a question. It was a declarative sentence meant to state that the author of the referred-to post assumed that the only reason for the blatant and almost omnipresent errors in grammar and spelling was the brief time taken to compose the error-filled posts. This was used to set the stage for the next sentences arguing against that premise.
    
    I agree that far too many people post their opinions in a hurry, without examining either their reasoning or their use of the English language. This results in the posts appearing to be knee-jerk reactions from uneducated people, and no one takes them seriously.
    
    I can understand the occasional missing letter, or misspelled word due to a typo (evidenced by the incorrect letter being near the correct one on a keyboard, not a misspelling due to not actually knowing how the word is spelled.) I cannot, however, fathom the thought processes of those who believe they can influence another's opinion by making a point using illiterate misspellings, poor grammar, or simply the wrong word (examples: their/they're/there; two/too/to; lose/loose; etc.)
    
    Please, people, it's your opportunity to make a statement. Try to make your point intelligently -- more people may take it seriously and not dismiss it as the raving of an idiot.

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    Re: Re: Re:

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:23am

    
    

    MMmmmmm wet bagels

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32.  

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:25am

    
    

    just have the security guard require everyone leaving to show a receipt.. i mean.. that would be the easiest solution.

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33.  

    Free food

    

    Anonymous Bum, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:26am

    
    

    Did someone say free food?

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    BillyBob, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 8:42am

    
    

    This was one really stupid assistant manager at one IHOP restaurant, and that store is owned by an IHOP franchisee, not IHOP corporate. The assistant manager took it upon themselves to do this really stupid process. IHOP corporate had no idea it was happening until it hit the news. And yes, I am an IHOP fanboy...

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35.  

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:11am

    
    

    why not make all doors "emergancy locked" exits. the ones with alarms. and have the cashier run the open lock command. so people can leave after they pay.
    
    and it'll be a double door system so just to make it more secure. of course all doors can be opened, but alarms go off.

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36.  

    Re: Re: cheaters

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:27am

    
    

    I'm not.

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    Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    Anonymous Coward, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:47am

    
    

    Did you include your own comment as being one of those with spelling or grammatical errors?
    
    According to my Oxford English dictionary and according to the following online dictionaries, “ignorami” is not actually a word. I believe the plural for ignoramus is ignoramuses.
    
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorami
    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.a sp?searchword=ignorami&x=38&y=12
    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ignorami&x=0& amp;y=0
    
    Now I'm not saying my grammar or indeed my spelling is particularly good. But then you are implying yours is. Yet you have at least one spelling error in your comment "decrying" poor spelling and grammar.

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38.  

    It used to bother me...

    

    todd, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 9:56am

    
    

    It doesn't matter to which website I go, If I bother to look at the "Reader Comments", It's always the same thing - one guy who can't spell, one guy who corrects him - one guy has a valid comment, one guy just wants to be silly - one guy finds ANY topic is a good enough soapbox from which to preach, one guy cusses a lot and talks about "poo". It's on and on, and, actually, kinda fits this forum - (Mis) uses of Technology. And I know, even as I write this, that a very small percentage of the people that read this will care what I wrote, just as I really don't care about most comments I'll read here. I very, very, very rarely post. Why bother? No matter what I say, one guy will correct me, one guy will call me an a**hole, and somebody will think my repetitive use of the word "guy" - meant in the non-gender sense - somehow indicates that I fail to recognize feminine contributions to the web.
    
    Yeah, it used to bother me. Then I started thinking - everybody is different and always will be. And that's good.
    
    Have fun flaming/correcting/insulting or agreeing with me.
    
    HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!

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    Re: It used to bother me...

    

    The infamous Joe, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:23am

    
    

    Buttermilk biscuits, indeed. The muse of breakfast. The inspiration that causes jellies to drip and margarines to run. To where is anyone's guess, for the options are limited to the eggs and the gullet, and yet you will not find them running there. The plate is the realm of the egg, who plays host to various sausages and bacons, Canadian or otherwise, and the vast array of potatoes that make their own sordid way to the breakfast table. But it is the egg that stays the course. The potato, in all its informality, can hope only for tangential companionship to the egg, but it is the meat with whom the egg slumbers. Such is the way of our sensual world. But the buttermilk biscuit, in its heady rise, can surpass the egg in stature, its sillouette streamlined against the pallette for inclusion in other meals, such as the venerable dinner. Possibly brunch, although brunch is generally regarded as the rich uncle of breakfast, and thus is primarily good for entertaining guests in the foyer and telling hilarious stories in a voice that is two notches too loud for the room. You will find the buttermilk biscuit there, in the foyer, laughing, but you will also find it, hours later, seated at the right hand of the filet mignon or the king crab. I suppose in the case of the latter, it would be seated at the right claw (and come to think of it, the filet has no hands at all). It is the subverter of breakfast convention, this biscuit. It is the mime at the window. It is the first-class upgrade on the long flight from LAX to Brisbane. It is the kind hand that massages the throat before giving the euphoric squeeze. It is karma baked up in 12 minutes. It is the wheel. And it spins at the speed of delicious.

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40.  

    FOR pancakes

    

    Old Guy, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:26am

    
    

    Does IHOP serve cherry pie? I know they serve pancakes with cherries. They should team up with the Lenawee County Prison system, then you would have to give up your ID AND your clothes in order to eat what is at best a mediocre meal! http://www.topix.net/content/ap/3748544382099089745900815012363952342980

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    Security Guard vs. Food Price

    

    greenitch, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:27am

    
    

    Hey, wouldn't a security guard for $5 an hour be way more the someone stealing food on a week. The security guard would be $200 week, and the food would be mabye $20.

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    Re: Re: It used to bother me...

    

    Unabashed Critic, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:33am

    
    

    Wonderfully entertaining -- thank you for the respite from the ordinary. I have to think, though, that some might find your ode to the buttermilk biscuit a little over the top (but not me.)
    
    Bravo!

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    Re: Re: It used to bother me...

    

    Unabashed Critic, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:33am

    
    

    Wonderfully entertaining -- thank you for the respite from the ordinary. I have to think, though, that some might find your ode to the buttermilk biscuit a little over the top (but not me.)
    
    Bravo!

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    Re: Re: Re: It used to bother me...

    

    Unabashed Critic, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:36am

    
    

    Oops!
    
    The page didn't load up all the way, and I refreshed it -- voila -- double post!
    
    (I hate it when that happens.)
    
    Regards

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    Re: Re: Re: cheaters

    

    Squeege, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:43am

    
    

    So YOU say.

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    The infamous Joe

    

    todd, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 10:57am

    
    

    raotflmao = you rock

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    Re: Re: It used to bother me...

    

    Ron, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 1:17pm

    
    

    Loved 'Ode to buttermilk biscuits'. I just had to forward it to my wife. Thanks

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    Re: Pancakes or your private life/

    

    lil'bit, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 6:16pm

    
    

    Despite the difficulty reading his post, I think Mr. Boyle brings up a very valid point. When out shopping, one sees numerous signs giving notice that the retailer has cameras watching; shoplifters will be prosecuted, etc.
    What you learn (if only I could remember where?!) is that the majority of those cameras are aimed at the employees because, yes, most retail theft is by employees or people connected to employees!
    
    One still feels like a criminal under guard though.
    
    (FYI - having security guards doesn't do much to stop shoplifting at wal-mart. Didn't stop a woman I know a few years back, she ended up with a whole lot of stuff she didn't pay for - and she did it right under their noses!) (many years ago - as in the statute of limitations have run out AND I don't know where she is now)

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    Re: Re: Decline of Civilization

    

    Charles Griswold, Dec 1st, 2006 @ 11:55pm

    
    

    " You think you could write a coherent and correct sentence if only you took the time."

    Was that supposed to be a question? I didn't see a ? at the end of that statement yet you answered it. Now I'm really confused.

    Nah, it's a declarative statement. Well, he's wrong; I don't think that I could write a coherent and correct sentence if only I took the time. Hah! Shows how much he knows. Only the computers can read minds.

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    Stu, Dec 2nd, 2006 @ 9:41am

    
    

    Reply To Howard Bowen
    
    With all due respect sir, get the hell out of here and find some street corner to proselytize on.
    
    To the Anonymous Coward that posted "Next we need to figure out a way to stop bad people from posting profanity in public. Real problem"
    
    If this is a real problem in your life, go with Mr. Bowen.
    
    This site caters to adults who
    
    1) can make up their own minds about their relationship to a creator without your unsolicited help
    
    2) Don't want their language censored by you or anyone else.
    
    It's like radio or TV. If you don't like what's playing, leave.

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    Re: Buttermilk biscuits

    

    Stu, Dec 2nd, 2006 @ 9:48am

    
    

    The infamous Joe - "Buttermilk biscuits, indeed."
    
    WOW - awesome. Where the hell did you get that?

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    Dumb idea

    

    jennie, Dec 2nd, 2006 @ 3:28pm

    
    

    I would just eat somewhere else.

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