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   Stu, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 3:56pm

   
   

   Here comes another holy war.

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   here comes the jihad

   

   k, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:08pm

   
   

   Can't wait until the jihad and fatwas start against the great Satan - Google! I hope that the Iranians will quickly realize that this whole thing makes them look like total idiots.
   
   At least the Chinese usually know what they're talking about when they want to censor the Internet.

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   Iranians and Google

   

   Alex, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:12pm

   
   

   Hah! Google is going to get nuked by Iran!

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   Just goes to show

   

   Mike, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:22pm

   
   

   ...how stupid some Iranians are. I motion to disconnect all WAN links to/from Iran immediately and permanently.

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   Conversely

   

   dorpus, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:25pm

   
   

   If some Iranian tourist took a video of bulls being castrated alive at a bullfight in Mexico, then claimed that it happened in "America", would Americans stand still?

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   Re: Conversely

   

   Anonymous Coward, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:36pm

   
   

   Yeah, most americans I know couldn't care less about stuff like that.

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   Re: Conversely

   

   cephyn, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:36pm

   
   

   Wow, thats even lamer than your usual troll attempts dorpus.
   
   the answer is, no, americans wouldn't stand still - but they'd go after the Iranians and not the service that played the video.
   
   got any better troll questions? I mean at least make it more difficult!

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   so...

   

   lol, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:36pm

   
   

   well in china google's censored and now starting a holy war. GASP! google really IS evil!!!

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   Re: Conversely

   

   jason, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:38pm

   
   

   yes, no one would care, even if the government prodded us too- but you knew that

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    Freedom of speach prevails

    

    Anonymous Coward, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:40pm

    
    

    Gotta love it!

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    Re: Re: Conversely

    

    dorpus, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 4:47pm

    
    

    the answer is, no, americans wouldn't stand still - but they'd go after the Iranians and not the service that played the video.
    
    
    Really? So if the video had been uploaded to Google, Americans wouldn't complain to Google, Google wouldn't quickly take down the video, and there wouldn't be a double standard?
    
    yes, no one would care, even if the government prodded us too- but you knew that
    
    So would Google tolerate an anti-semitic video uploaded by an Iranian, showing Jews drinking baby blood? Or does "freedom of speech" in America apply only against Muslims and less powerful minorities?

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    Re: Re: Re: Conversely

    

    John, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:09pm

    
    

    A jewish civil rights group might ASK Google to take it down, once it had been brought to their attention but wouldn't blame Google for it.
    
    I don't know if Google would even comply..but I'm sure a Jewish civil rights group would TRY to get it taken down.
    
    Regardless.. American government, American People and Civil Rights groups would condemn GOOGLE.
    
    If Iran asked Google to take it down, now that it has been brought to their attention..that's fine. But they shouldn't get all pissy about it.

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    Google maps

    

    Phlatus the Elder, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:10pm

    
    

    Well, Google has one small town I know of off in some farmer's pasture, about 5 miles SW of where it really is. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't cartographers usually use the location of the main post office when they state a town's map coordinates?)
    
    Simple error, or a map maker's booby trap for catching copyright violators?

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    Preseminal Fluid

    

    Blop, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:11pm

    
    

    The (76 IQ point, fox-watching, right wing, bush-supporting, fatass, reality-tv watching, uninformed, and simply idiotic) americans would care only when their local news channel runs out of violent crimes to report and decides to give something like what you described its 15 minutes of fame, then americans would go on blowing the next thing out of proportion.
    
    On another note, don't you find it funny and ironic that these are the same people who started rioting, fighting, and burning shit because they disagreed with the pope calling their beliefs violent? I mean, was I the only one who got the irony here? Oh and what about Hamas calling for a war against America when Israel broke the truce?
    
    Not to discriminate or over-generalize, I know there is a whole other rational side to muslim people (because it's really not just muslims we're talking about when it comes to the middle east - and america's actions over there have much less honor behind them than the 'terrorists' we're fighting), I was born in a country where they are the majority of the population so I'd know a bit from experience, but every little prick in the middle east seems to try their best to find an excuse to yell jihad against america/any other religion/culture.

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    dorpus, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:27pm

    
    

    I eat newborn babies.

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    dorpus..is that Farsi for 'moron'

    

    charlie potatoes, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:37pm

    
    

    castrated alive? alive? you can't castrate a dead bull, you stupid bastard. if he is dead all you're doing is cutting his balls off. he has to be alive to castrate him.

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 5:41pm

    
    

    either way, there is way too much time being occupied with the discussion of a bull's balls. it's just not normal...

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    Somone think of the children!

    

    AJ, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 6:01pm

    
    

    If somone uploaded a video to google, and it doesnt violate any laws or google's terms of service or whatever, why should they take it down? Why should they be blamed? Hell, almost everything is illegal somwhere, if we used that type of thinking (if it pisses someone off, then remove it)the internet would be a very boring place..... or we could all just move to china and be "protected" from these types of things........

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    Discrimination

    

    Deathlike, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 6:18pm

    
    

    'Cause yeah, the Iranians are the first to mess up what the internet was, when we REALLY know it's just a bunch of tubes.

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    Racist Iranian Government is Cracking Down on Azer

    

    Free Azeri, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 6:29pm

    
    

    The racist Persian dominated Iranian government is trying to suppress any free expression by ethnic and religious minorities.
    
    The Azeri make up 25 percent of Iran and yet are economically deprived and disavantaged, oppressed and brutalized and discriminated against. South Azerbajian continues to remain under Iranian occupation.
    
    Read more here
    
    http://www.bakutoday.net/view.php?d=21507

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    No mOrE iRan

    

    BigEd, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 7:29pm

    
    

    Ok Google, open the maps and make Iran disappear forever.
    The big delete function. A reverse jihad with no American loss of life. And because if it's not found on google it doesn't exist...Right?
    
    Beside's, who in their right mind even cares what Iran has to say. Aren't they under some type of restrictions, embargo's or what ever they call it now. Shouldn't this include Internet
    access also?

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    Re: Preseminal Fluid

    

    Anonymous Coward, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 9:10pm

    
    

    You're just an ass looking for somewhere to shit. And you're a dumbshit to boot.

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    Re: charlie..is that Farsi for 'moron'

    

    dorpus, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 9:55pm

    
    

    Bulls do get castrated while alive.
    
    http://www.iwab.org/ongoingcampaigns.html
    
    Along with getting their ears cut off.
    
    http://www.sharkonline.org/bullfighting07.mpg

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    Lost Tourist

    

    Dale, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 10:43pm

    
    

    OK . I look at the site and then end up reading the comments and you people are still talking about nothing but bull. The tourist was lost so he made a mistake of were he was ,Duuh big suprise.Then you people start argueing about bull. You call each other names and eveyone gets off track of the Google concern. It was a video not a map and yes some mappers do put mistakes like roads that are fictitious, like a watermark or thumbprint. Personally I think many of you are as lost as the tourist was.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Conversely

    

    dorpus, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 10:47pm

    
    

    oh yeah! well what if snakes ate your baby sister and then it started raining frogs? let's see how you feel about complaints lodged against a hosting service instead of the content creator when that happens!

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    The Story

    

    Dale, Nov 13th, 2006 @ 10:59pm

    
    

    The sooner the so called elected officials of some of the countries in this world, learn to control their emotions and think before they shot the messenger, Google would not be a target for someones rage. When is Iran not mad at someone. Another tourist is lost and Iran is pissed at someone, yep its nice to know somethings never change. LOL

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    feroz, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 12:17am

    
    

    Well, I'm a muslim...well, maybe not. I am, sorta. I'm agnostic really, but yes, coming to the point...
    Iran was named on of the enemies of the internet just a while back - I can't place the link, but google it and you should find it. I think this is one reason why. It's disappointing to see that a whole government doesn't understand simple concepts that many 15 year olds do.

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    Re:

    

    dorpus, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 12:26am

    
    

    How many Iranians will put freedom to good use anyway? Iranians have enjoyed using the internet to gamble their savings away on backgammon, sending perverted sex messages to women, buying and selling underage sex slaves, trading alcohol, inciting racial hatred against Sunnis or other minorities. It's understandable if some countries prefer to opt out of the vulgar hedonism of "free" countries. Are free countries really free, or are they enslaved by a tyranny of the lowest-common-denominator culture?

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    ha ha ha....

    

    bigSteve, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 4:04am

    
    

    Give George Bush 20 minutes to read this article and we won't have to worry about the Iranians anymore. He'll bomb those "evil doers" and this whole discussion will be over. After all, how can those criminals insult one of the cornerstones of American Business and get away with it?

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    Re: Re: Re: Conversely

    

    Anonymous Coward, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 6:59am

    
    

    So would Google tolerate an anti-semitic video uploaded by an Iranian, showing Jews drinking baby blood? Or does "freedom of speech" in America apply only against Muslims and less powerful minorities?
    
    Why dont you try it and let us know how it worked out.

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    bold analogy

    

    StratDad, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 7:12am

    
    

    I'll make a bold analogy here...
    
    A drug pusher does not generate a product, but mearly distributes it for profit. Now, it may be that the drug pusher sells legal drugs as well, but that has no relevance to his sales of illegal drugs.
    
    We have a concept of common carrier laws that absolves carriers from liability for the content they carry. We apply this concept to any company that supplies a portal to user generated content. I may or may not like it, but that is the way it works in the US.
    
    On what basis can you assume that every culture buys into this notion that the company making a buck off distribution is not responsible for content? That an entertainment pusher has no responsibility for distributing culturally offensive material?
    
    We are building a real wall to keep Mexican people from crossing into the US, primarily because we don't want to deal with the effects of their presence. Since it is virtually impossible to build a wall that keeps out the Internet's 'undersirable' content (just ask the Chineese and their disappointment with walls), shouldn't the distributers should be held accountable to the local cultures that they influence? What natural law/fundament right protects the distribution company, morally speaking? It isn't sufficient to say it is just how the Internet operates. For now, at least, the Internet is subordinate to real communities.
    
    Did Iran overreact? Yes. Was this an isolated insult? Certainly not.

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    Insecurity

    

    Anonymous Coward, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 8:16am

    
    

    ...alternatively it may encourage compensatory behaviours such as arrogance, aggression, or bullying,... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insecurity

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    Get with the program

    

    Voice of Reason, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 8:55am

    
    

    Ok ... all of you people need to get a life. One person says something stupid, and now there's so much verbal hostility. For what? What is it going to accomplish? Don't you people have families and jobs to attend to? Don't you have elections to worry about? Don't you have the education of your children to worry about? Don't you have crime in our local streets to worry about? Get your heads out off your rear-ends and wake up. If you paid as much attention to our internal problems as you do with the problems of other people, then there may not be so much crime, illiteracy, drug use and poverty in this "great county of ours".

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    well

    

    jeff, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 10:16am

    
    

    that's what happens when you give internet access to primates :x

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    Re: well

    

    Voice of Reason, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 10:46am

    
    

    Jeff ... are you in any way related to Bush, Cheney, Hitler, or Stalin? Because you sound like a moron!!! Ohh yeah, forgot ... American's are morons!!!

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    That's why

    

    satan, Nov 14th, 2006 @ 11:17am

    
    

    That's why america is so great, we don't give a shit, Everyone else are like kids in a school yard. Calling each other names

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    Re: Re:

    

    feroz, Nov 15th, 2006 @ 10:09pm

    
    

    I'm not arguing that some people will misuse the freedom. I've lived for most of my life in Saudi Arabia, and I am well aware of the PATHETIC state of internet connections over there. Here, in India, I'm able to have a broadband connection with no uld/dwnld limit for half the price of a 100 hour dialup connection over there. I'm not saying that people don't misuse the internet, but the saudis are missing out on a LOT. YouTube, P2P, podcasts, just make no sense in Saudi Arabia, because the common man doesn't have the fast connection.

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