New Russian Law May Make Life Difficult For Allofmp3.com

from the legal-pressure dept

A year ago, Russian authorities investigated Allofmp3.com and found that the company was not violating local laws. As the site's owners have claimed from the beginning, they found a bit of a legal loophole in licensing the ability to sell music online from Russian rights' agencies. However, as Russia tries to join the WTO, the US (and its friends in the entertainment industry) have made it clear they will block Russia's attempt to join unless they shut down Allofmp3 and similar sites. Luckily Russia passed just such a law a couple years ago... though it didn't go into effect until just last week. It could present trouble for Allofmp3, as it threatens those who offer unauthorized downloads with five years in jail, basically setting the punishment terms on the equivalent level of selling stolen physical goods. Of course, it's not entirely clear how worried Allofmp3 should be. Another story on the law suggests that the Russian parliament may already want to change the law -- though, it's not clear how the new law will impact Allofmp3. In the meantime, though, the recording industry continues to focus on the wrong thing. Talking about this new law, it focuses on how Russian internet sales are way too low, because of the low prices of Allofmp3, rather than how it could learn from the site about how (a) people are willing to pay for un-protected MP3 files and (b) how they're much more willing to pay when the prices are a much more reasonable price than what the industry is used to charging (both of which counteract claims by the industry that there's no way to fight "piracy" and that DRM is necessary).


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    Keybored, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:11pm

    Hmmm

    Guess I better hurry and deplete my account balance.

     

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    rijit (profile), Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:12pm

    Geez...

    In todays market the MPAA and the RIAA should cease to be. This is just more strong arm tactics.

     

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    Nobody, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:14pm

    ...

    What's next? An "all legal loopholes are now illegal" law?

     

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    Cleverboy, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:20pm

    I doubt the RIAA have anything to "learn" from AllOfMp3.com --anymore than Microsoft can learn from Warez CD distributors. "Hey, look! When they don't pay us for making the content... and live outside International copyright laws... look how efficiently they rip us off! Cool!"

    I'm personally tired of this "consumer as victim" mentality people take on. Is Eminem and Beyonce like "crack"? If they don't distribute and price how you like, don't support them... support those that do. Boom. Change made manifest.

    Sites like AllofMp3.com break that leverage, and allow people to take no responsiblility for creating the industry they loathe so much.

    Phooey. Eyes open, people.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:21pm

    i told my parents about this site, and now its too late for them to join it seems.

    my dad was all paranoid about joining a russian website with CC info and what not.

     

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    johnny5k, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:23pm

    They gotta learn!

    I've spent probably $200 or $300 in the past year on music from sites such as allofmp3.com. Because it's so cheap, it allows me to download full albums that I don't really know if I'll like, preview them a few times, and if I don't like 'em, they only cost me $1 or 2. This way, if I only like 1 or 2 out of every 10 albums, which is often the case, I didn't blow my money on crappy music- I got a couple good albums out of my purchase. Contrast that with the RIAA's approach, and I would have spent much, much less money during that time. Yes, less. To me, music isn't worth what the industry wants to charge, so I just won't buy it if it's that expensive. I won't spend $10 or $15 on an album when I don't even know if it'll be any good. It seems to me like throwing money away. If I buy a new TV and bring it home and find out it doesn't work like I expected it to, I return it. But I can't do the same thing when I buy a crappy album. If they'd learn to change their business model, they might find that volume is the way to go, and allow a lot more consumers enjoy a lot more music they actually like.

     

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    Sean, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:25pm

    Real Story

    The real story here is how the RIAA has so much control over our government's decisions. If some Russian website was selling bootleg barbie dolls, do you think WTO would be making such a fuss? I don't.

     

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    Mark, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:31pm

    TPB?

    Apparently the US companies don't have that much pull in Russia, as it is taking years upon years to get their ways pushed through.

    How long did it take to convince .se athorities to attempt to take down The Pirate Bay?

    On a side note, have you all checked out their new video?

    http://www.stealthisfilm.com/

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:31pm

    umm...

    i didn't even know they enforced laws in russia...

     

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    Mark, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:34pm

    addendum

    Thinking more, why not move to djibouti or some other nation without legislation like this?

    Yes yes, bandwidth would be an issue, but that can be worked around.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:41pm

    In Communist Russia, mp3 downloads you!

     

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    Grandfather Time, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:51pm

    Time and time again....

    people continue to pay for music, and of all places, pay for music downloads thru websites that host the downloads,....when all you haveto do IS GET A P2P program, like filetopia, or a Torrent Downloader and get it for free.........

     

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    Bit Torrenter, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 7:58pm

    Why buy at all?

    $2 for an album? No, thanks. Me and Azureus do it just fine, (for free) thank you very much!

     

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    Monsuco, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 9:16pm

    In America

    In DRM laden America, music listen to you!

     

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    Evil1dwk, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 10:10pm

    Re:

    So I should pay less for crappy music that can't sell otherwise just to not support more talented (of course Eminem and Beyonce are both crap and shouldn't be worth the plasic they are pressed on) artists the recording industry has deemed to be worth more then others.

    If I'm not mistaken piracy is a means of rebelling against the absurd amount of money these companies want for another person's work. So the statement "If they don't distribute and price how you like, don't support them... support those that do. Boom. Change made manifest." makes absolutely no sense. Pirating music or buying from sites like AllofMp3.com is basically saying hey we aren't going to pay you retarded sums of money for the same crap 200 other brand new bands are copying. Boom! Change made manifest.

    Unfortunately we don't end up with intended change. The folks at the RIAA come by and kick the people over at AllofMp3.com square in the nuts and say look we are making people pay us the price we want.

    I'm not for piracy I'm merely pointing out that you are contradicting yourself. Don't support the people want too much money, but don't try to get it cheaper from someone outside of America's retarded copyright laws either. Choose a side and stick to it.

     

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    Thigpen, Sep 5th, 2006 @ 11:39pm

    wTf

    After taking it in the rear for nigh on twenty year @ close to $20 an album when it costs less than a dollar to make equal profit (100% beyond the funds to make and ship it) I, for one am sick and tired of the riaa and the demi-gods of industrial greed. This entire nation is feeling the pinch of economic feudalistic control by the oil price fixers while the government is subsidising them in reord profit bearing years! If the record industry were to invest in high bandwidth downloads and garanteed song standards they could charge easily less than most of the sites out there, but they are PUMPING the bottom line for their shareholders year after year. News flash, this country was founded by the rich, is and always has been run by the rich, and only lets the rich play with them and make all of the rules to insulate themselves from public scrutiny. 95% of all laws (including the recent highway transportation bill) are passed so that the wealthy can sell land they just happen to own next to their earmarked appropriations at a sickening profit. While strangely legal, this is an apt representation of capitalistic greed run amuck. The only way to get the juggernaught's attention is to cut off his fuel supply or make so much noise they have to turn arraound and address the problem.

    My challenge to all of you is to stop bickering amoungst yourselves and take positive steps to bring the corporations to the center of the American focus. When their outright robbery is exposed and not misled by some war for money the American people might just stand up for themselves rather than this apathetic coffee house drivel we all spout online about how much we want to pay. Get off the computer and start writing letters to you congressman/woman, file regional petitions for change, get the media involved before ClearChannel completes its monopoly (thanks for that Reagan you schmuck!).

    Americans live in a society that stinks to high heaven, but they have the one tru advantage other nations do not. We HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAND UP AND BE HEARD! Even when the MSA and secret service infringes on it stand up to them as Martin Luther King JR. did, peacefully and with dignity. That is the only was to block the juggernaught if it's attention can't be roused. Remember, there is always another way of smothering the greatest of all evils if we band together. If we continue with the nihlism, then the RIAA, Exxon mobile, and reality television distractions will have exactly what they want (the citizens at the arena being shocked while the coffers of our grand society is pilfered).

    Think. Act. Respect.

     

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    Dav, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 2:07am

    world ruled by america ruled by capitalists

    didnt think it would take much longer, capitalists are losing money ao they have to shut down their compeetitor (you know they will never reduce their prices even though they can afford to, they might have to wait another week to buy a new private jumbo if they did that!)

    ill admit here i have used torrent for some music but i do like to know i can aquire it legally where possible however, i am not willing to pay huge prices in i tunes that means i may as well just buy the CD for the un DRMd hard copy.

    The reason i like allofmp3 is because it cheap, the way downloads should be. Its cheap enbough for those thinking about torrent to pay just for the quility of the download and reliability.

    It has long been argued that to stop the illigal downloading (or at least reduce it) the record industry simply needs to reduce its price to something more reasonable that more people are willing to pay, they seem to forget that we all want music but dont want to spend £100s getting it.

    Thing is we can complain about this all we want, they will never learn as they have the power to influance the US administration in order to force their way worldwide. the sooner this stopes the better for all of us.

     

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    An Idea, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 2:48am

    I'm making a serious business plan for them here, just so you know...

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    hrmm... MAYBE the recording companies could learn a lesson from both the P2P and movie rental worlds:

    Offer FREE (read no strings attached) trial downloads of albums. They could do it via BitTorrent transfer (yes, it does have legitimate uses), saving them assloads of money on bandwidth costs. At the end of your "trial" period, have the files corrupt themselves, making them unusable/unplayable (I dunno, use a proprietary format the way ITMS does). Track what day who downloaded what album so that you can keep people from redownloading the same thing over and over again (effectively giving them unlimited trial time), and after about 2 months, let them download that album again.

    This way the consumer doesnt have to pay 20 bucks for a crap album they end up not liking, and if it is good, well then they can go buy it. If the consumer is happy with the album and buys it, then the recording studios get their money, and everybody lives happilly-ever-after in the land of unicorns...

    BUT - hey, they're the recording industry - how often do they learn???

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    Sure, it would basically be DRM on steroids, but it could work, me-thinks, eh???

     

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    Cleverboy, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 4:10am

    Piracy is Rebellion?

    "If I'm not mistaken piracy is a means of rebelling against the absurd amount of money these companies want for another person's work." - Evil1dwk

    Yes, you're SERIOUSLY mistaken unfortunately. Let's dodge the fact that its effectively their stuff anyway and jump right to the heartof the matter...

    By pirating music whose producers you do not want to support, you imply that they have "demand" and are simply losing it to "theives" (sound familiar?) They begin (sorry, "continue") suing people, individuals, and also, technology innovators, while most piraters hide behind an assumption of anonymity. By simply not using the power of choice and NOT implying any demand in the first place (for crap music or lame distribution), instead of giving the music industry "something to think about" a "pirate" simply provides them with more "targets" for legal scrutiny.

    A perfect example of what pirates would LIKE to think would happen... is what the movie studios have had to do in Russia. LOWER PRICES in order to compete with their own products from illegal sources. This is a bullshit way to run a free market economy, and will NEVER happen in most civilized countries (with a legal system). How would you like it if you began selling something, and had to lower your price, because anyone could make a copy and undersell you (while smiling as your customers "stick it to the man")? No, I didn't think you would.

    So... no... pirating is NOT "rebellion", is just being irresponsible and living in a dream world where you don't have to anwer for the fact that you're a garden variety shoplifter.

    But, I realize the human mind has an unparalleled ability to rationalize whatever it is it wants.... so "pirating is rebellion"? Hm, sounds good! You get your free music and you stick it to the man! Alright! Nevermind it doesn't make logic sense in the end! Keep pretending they can't see the numbers and draw conclusions (its all secret, right)! Keep pretending your actions don't hurt better music models too. Keep pretending that bad behavior causes positive results and that two wrongs make a right.

    You're not alone, and odds are you'll never cause a wit of change in the music industry. Party on with your bad self. You're a rebel without a clue.

     

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    SmartAlec, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 4:46am

    Re:

    Your Warez analogy is totally off. Allofmp3 does pay royalties for the music it offers to download.
    The difference is, in Russia (at least until recently), those royalties were set by the Russian govt., not the record companies. Of course, those royalties are far below what the record companies charge. This is why Allofmp3 has been able to sell music so cheaply.

     

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    SmartAlec, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 4:51am

    Re: Piracy is Rebellion?

    Cleverboy,

    See my other comment - Allofmp3 is not a pirate site.

     

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    Evil1dwk, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 6:58am

    Piracy is rebellion not so cleverboy

    Think about it. A government backed agency forces all competition out of the market through laws they buy with there huge money making machine that is on the verge of dying. Instead of trying to reform or change there original business model they deem it necessary to mandate outrageous copy right laws. So we as consumers choose to "rebel" by foregoing these laws and either A) stealing from them outright or B) paying companies outside our copyright jurisdiction to legally purchase goods at a cheaper price. Now as I stated before I am not for piracy. I have my fair share of mp3s purchased legally or ripped from CDs I own (which the RIAA would like to stop as well).

    Now why should I be mandated by the RIAA to buy only from sites they deem worthy (because of the use of DRM). Why can I not buy cheaper music from AllofMp3.com. By doing so I am telling the recording industry that yes your music does have a demand but I do not wish to pay $1 per song (15 songs per CD for $15).

    Piracy is another form of rebellion albeit an illegal one. Just like when the folks up in Boston got pissed off about taxes and decided to dress like Indians, break into ships at port and steal tea to throw into the ocean. This was completely illegal but yes a form of rebellion. By saying hey we aren't going to pay you for this item is theft but also a form of rebellion.

    I am not saying we should all pirate music to stick it to the man. Like I've stated several times I am not for piracy or theft of any kind. Obviously you can't read to well or you would have seen this. Your analogy of "How would you like it if you began selling something, and had to lower your price, because anyone could make a copy and undersell you" does not apply. And is in fact is what free market is. Yeah I can make really kick ass widgets. Then another company can come along and take my widget and produce it for much less and under sell me. That's called competition. Of course that doesn't apply in the case of an artist creating a song or work of art then some one coming along and running it through a copier to make exact copies and selling them for cheaper. That's effectively what pirating is.

    But why can't I go to walmart for a CD at $10 instead of K-Mart for $15. That's effectively what the RIAA is doing in this case. They are trying to shut down legal businesses because they don't comply with their DRM requirements or don't sell products at the price they deem it to be worth. What the RIAA is basically enforcing is that you can buy the item if we say you can buy the item at the price we say you can buy the item. Screw you. I can go to my local bar and buy a Corona for $5 or I can take another trip down to Mexico for a $1 Corona because I don't have to pay import Tax (I know NAFTA says I don't have to pay the tax either anymore). So why can't I go to Russia were they don't have to abide by our outrageous copyright laws and buy something cheaper? How is that not rebelling?

     

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    Noah Vail, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 6:59am

    Excuse me? Mr. RIAA Shill?

    So glad you could join us today. Does your blinding adoration of the RIAssA take into account their Dozens upon Dozens of convictions of collusion, price fixing and payola?
    I noticed you conveniently left out how they have kept the price of CD's artifically high since the inception of the CD.

    If competition in the marketplace dictitated the price of music the prices would be much closer to allofmp3.com than the price list composed by the RIAA.

    You may now return to your regularly scheduled shilling.

    NV

     

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    Wizard Prang, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 7:11am

    Solution to paranoia

    "my dad was all paranoid about joining a russian website with CC info and what not."

    Tell him to get a Credit Card with a low credit limit (say $200) to use only with online retailers with whom he is unfamiliar.

    Even if the number is plastered all over the Internet, his exposure is limited.

    And remember... the best defence against CC fraud is to check your CC statements.

     

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    Gene Frost, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 7:14am

    Prices rise

    Perhaps the recent increase in prices (almost double) on allofmp3is a result of this activity. Anyway its still cheap at twice the price!

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:00am

    Re:

    "I doubt the RIAA have anything to "learn" from AllOfMp3.com --anymore than Microsoft can learn from Warez CD distributors. "Hey, look! When they don't pay us for making the content... and live outside International copyright laws... look how efficiently they rip us off! Cool!"

    I'm personally tired of this "consumer as victim" mentality people take on. Is Eminem and Beyonce like "crack"? If they don't distribute and price how you like, don't support them... support those that do. Boom. Change made manifest.

    Sites like AllofMp3.com break that leverage, and allow people to take no responsiblility for creating the industry they loathe so much.

    Phooey. Eyes open, people."

    I tired of reading such clueless, ignorant trolls - most likely corporate shills paid by RIAA/MPAA - like this. Seriously, did you actually bother to read the original article?

    I use AOMP3 *every week* and no, I WILL NOT USE any of your RIAA/MPAA masters' sites.
    They are ridiculously expensive, they are restricting as hell, they don't offer high quality lossless music and their catalog is usually a joke compared to AOMP3, let alone what a joke is their search function or the fact that none of them follows the much-loved charge-by-megabytes paying scheme of AOPM3. Some albums I buy in FLAC and then I'm willing to pay more but otherwise I buy everything in 320k CBR MP3 for less.

    It's a perfectly viable business modell minus you don't need giant RIAA-member publishers and record companies nor their Ferrari-owner executives. And it's been proved 100% that if these record companies wouldn't be there, aretists would make around 10-15x more money immediately, let alone they would reach a much-much bigger audience.

    No matter how utterly ignorant/denialist you are, even you should be able to grasp the reality: the US music market was always totally controlled, absolutely monopolized. Now it's finally crumbling and it's about to come down, even if it's late, compared to the world. It's being slowed down as much as possible, thanks to paid corporate shills in the Congress but the consumer *will prevail* and shills and trolls like you will be remembered as paid mouthpieces or ignorant, blinfolded losers.

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:15am

    Cleverboy is obviously a troll, paid by RIAA

    Boy, you won't get your weekly paycheck from RIAA if you continue to post such an idiocies like this...

    "LOWER PRICES in order to compete with their own products from illegal sources. "


    Stop fuckin lying, troll. LOWER PRICES TO COMPETE ON A MARKET WHERE THEY CANNOT DICTATE THE PRICES BECAUSE THEY DON'T ENJOY THE MONOPOLY, UNLIKE HERE, IN THE US WHERE THEY CAN BUY IT IN THE CONGRESS.

    "This is a bullshit way to run a free market economy,"

    I agree: THIS IS A BULLSHIT TO CALL IT A FREE ECONOMY WHEN YOU CAN BUY LAWS TO ENSURE YOUR MONOPOLY.

    "and will NEVER happen in most civilized countries (with a legal system)."

    It IS HAPPENING

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:16am

    Boy, you won't get your weekly paycheck from RIAA if you continue to post such an idiocies like this...

    "LOWER PRICES in order to compete with their own products from illegal sources. "


    Stop fuckin lying, troll. LOWER PRICES TO COMPETE ON A MARKET WHERE THEY CANNOT DICTATE THE PRICES BECAUSE THEY DON'T ENJOY THE MONOPOLY, UNLIKE HERE, IN THE US WHERE THEY CAN BUY IT IN THE CONGRESS.

    "This is a bullshit way to run a free market economy,"

    I agree: THIS IS A BULLSHIT TO CALL IT A FREE ECONOMY WHEN YOU CAN BUY LAWS TO ENSURE YOUR MONOPOLY.

    "and will NEVER happen in most civilized countries (with a legal system)."

    It IS HAPPENING

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:16am

    It IS HAPPENING

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:27am

    all around the worl. Your CORRUPT, MONOPOLY-BASED SYSTEM WILL DIE, period.

    "How would you like it if you began selling something, and had to lower your price, because anyone could make a copy and undersell you (while smiling as your customers "stick it to the man")? No, I didn't think you would."

    THEY DO PAY ROYALTIES - it's just not CRAZY HIGH AS YOUR RIAA MASTERS WOULD SET. You don't have a monopoly in RUssia, hahaha, that's what hurts, huh? :D

    I'm soooo glad to see when corporate shills like you moan and whine about AOMP3... it just shows clearly what's the real deal, haha.

     

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    kamm, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 8:29am

    Speaking in broader terms it happens ALL THE TIME and it's the RIGHT WAY. FORD DID NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON CARS, nobody should have a monopoly on anything (except the Gov for money-making etc).
    Oh well, in the US we have a completely and utterly fucked up patent system which allows you not only to patent the word "windows" but also anything including a totally broad idea WITHOUT EVER PRODUCING or PROVING IT.
    EU was very smart when they have voted against the lobbist in EP, paid by US companies.

    PS: and I REALLY DON'T LIKE as the US government intervene at a foreign government for such bloodsucking corporate parasites like RIAA or MPAA - NOT FROM MY TAX, Mighty Freak Bushwhacker!

     

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    Cleverboy, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 9:07am

    The Truth is Out There...

    "Your Warez analogy is totally off. Allofmp3 does pay royalties for the music it offers to download." - SmartAlec

    SmartAlec, AllofMp3.com can easily determine the country of the person they are selling music to and require that at least there is a pretense of only doing business in its jurisdiction. They do not. Not only can origin be determined by IP address, but even by billing address for purchases. The excuse that they are operating legally in Russia is a ruse. It like watching magician who directs your attention to where he wishes the audience to look. Many online stores do not accept business from certain countries because of "fraud". AllOfMp3.com could easilyly not accept business from, "the U.S." for instance, because as they admit, it is only legal in Russia to use their service and they do not claim anything regarding the legality in other countries (due to the loophole).

    People can say I'm a "troll" but I'm not the one speaking in ALL CAPS. I'm expressing my dissappointment in logical honest discussion on this topic. On one hand, people say "Support the musicians!" on the other, they say, "Screw the musicians!" On one hand they say, "RIAA doesn't pay musicians, musicians make money on concerts", on the other they say "Screw Madonna and her high concert prices, this is a scam to her fans!" It's bloody fucking stupid is what it is.

    If we all went with compulsory licensing (which will never happen), we'd all be complaining about high taxes or complaining that the distribution of the money is totally unfair, given that the format wars are pretty much dying and usage is getting insanly ubiquitous for portable storage devices.

    The analogy of warez works fine. If AllofMp3.com wasn't pirating, they wouldn't be pledging to correct their payment amounts. They know they're not in line. As I said, they're skirting responsibility and charging for it. They're closer to the "backup" sites offering "backups" of your software you supposedly own. I'm sure they're paying their bills, but the money they should be paying is in excess of what they're charging, simply put.

    Human minds. Unlimited Rationalization. Hand and hand. Bad is Good. Hot is Cold. Cats and Dogs living together. It's madness.

     

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    SmartAlec, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 10:46am

    Re: The Truth is Out There...

    AllofMp3.com can easily determine the country of the person they are selling music to and require that at least there is a pretense of only doing business in its jurisdiction.

    Why should they have to? Their servers are in Russia. Their offices are in Russia. They are owned by Russians. There is no logical reason they should do business in any way other than required by Russian law.

    If AllofMp3.com wasn't pirating, they wouldn't be pledging to correct their payment amounts.

    That is incorrect. As AllofMp3 has explained, they are changing their payments amounts because Russian law is changing, as explained in the article above.

    But the real reason is that your Warez analogy doesn't work is that Warez sites do not pay royalties at all, while AllofMp3 does pay royalties - royalties prescribed by Russian law.

     

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    Evil1dwk, Sep 6th, 2006 @ 11:39am

    RE: The Truth is Out There

    You are having a logic honest discussion and I have no problem with that at all. I honestly don't think you are a troll. But you are expressing your dissappointment about lowering the over all price of an atrifically high market. The RIAA and MPAA are trying to monopolize the recording and movie production industries respectively. They do not want a free market they want a market where everyone pays them a royalty for artistic works that are not (usually) their own. That royalty is based on how much they want to mark an item up. The artist really have no say in the matter. They get paid their cut then go on tour. If you like an artist that much go see their concert. Screw Madonna she sucks anyway.

    The recording industry as a whole is on a verge of either a major change in business model or the complete descruction of their industry. They are choosing to fight against change unless they can make their usual cut. They are using their money to buy potically favor from our government (well mine at least) to forcibly remove competitors from countries that wish to join the WTO.

    The average cost to press a CD is less then $.01. I can burn a CD for less then $.10. But if I want to buy the product in the US I have to pay somewhere close to $15. That's a 1500% mark up. We as consumers need to say we aren't going to pay it anymore. They are trying to remove any avenue for us to do so. That's my issue. I don't believe in piracy and I don't think we should cut out the RIAA. A CD costs nearly the same as it did in 1982. With the advances in technology you would think the price would drop drasticly. This is not the case because of artificial inflation.

    Yes allofmp3 can block sales based on location. Just like off shure gambling sites could block users based on location. Why? It's a legal loop hole. They practice business legally in the country they exsist. There is nothing that states that because I'm in America I can't buy a product in Russia. Unless said product is stolen in this case it is not. Allofmp3 wishes to exsist in Russia after this change in law. So they have to modify their business practices. That's fine. My issue is that our Government is wasting my tax dollars to forcibly make other countries change their laws because the RIAA doesn't want to let countries join the WTO without checking out all their potential MP3 download sites.

    That being said maybe we should focus our efforts on the Government rather then RIAA or MPAA. Both of which are companies out to make a buck like any other company. It's our blood sucking money hungry poloticians that need to be changed so they no longer abide what the RIAA/MPAA mandate.

     

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    roger, Sep 28th, 2006 @ 2:22am

    Re:

    I also heartily recommend allofmp3 and www.lavamus.com. I'm not about to start buying copy-protected CDs or DRM-encumbered music. As long as your country does not ban importing music

     

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    Music, Oct 4th, 2006 @ 2:29am

    I use lavamus.com. At them very much a wide range of rare music which was published in a small copy

     

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    Funny Pictures, Apr 7th, 2007 @ 8:42pm

    AllofMP3 will go on and on

    Russian government won't ruin AllofMP3 and similar sites because they don't have many many big sites at all. They need some big players in this area.

     

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    ash, Sep 19th, 2008 @ 7:56am

    i dont believe any thing that you said because its a lye,plz to stop tell lyes

     

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