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Boy Scouts Told To Act As Copyright Police In Hong Kong
from the report-on-your-friends! dept
China is no stranger to using youngsters to monitor the internet. A few months ago, there was a story about students at school who spent their spare time monitoring online forums and reporting anything questionable to the authorities. Over in Hong Kong, it appears they're trying to apply a similar tactic to online copyright issues. The local Boy Scouts and various other youth groups are (at the urging of the government) instructing their members to surf the internet and report any unauthorized use of content. The kids get a private website that they can log into to report any offending content directly to the police, who will then decide whether to turn it over to the entertainment industry. This is raising some eyebrows in Hong Kong from people who aren't entirely comfortable with children policing online content. However, in the end, it appears the thing that might doom the program the most is simply the fact that it isn't particularly "cool" to rat out your friends for sharing some music. A student in the article admits to being teased by his friends -- and it's apparently a big enough concern that officials are trying to organize an event with famous movie and music stars. Meeting famous people is cool... but it's still not clear that it will make it any cooler to rat out your friends.
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As for convincing kids to rat out friends, I don't see the reason why cold hard cash won't work. For every good report, give them money. That would be enough to convince many kids to help, I believe.
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Community Watch
Oh, and I'm not sure if cash for reports goes very far in line with the precepts of communist china...
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Re: Community Watch
Daniel, that is absolutely true.
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Flip and reverse it...
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Re-education
China Troupe 7678 just reported your anti-communist post. Please report immediately to re-education. Good Commies do not speak badly of the government. Cash is king in the China Government, you don't think we actually care about the people? Silly peasant.
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Sig Heil!
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Rats
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boy scouts of america
Coincidentally, this is the same compliance tactic that the Chinese used on american POW's to get them to agree that communism was in many ways a good thing.
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Welcome...
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Re: Well...
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Re: Re: Community Watch
They rip off our ideas and sell them to their people as theirs, with no compensation to the party entitled to the royalties.
They do not believe you, as an individual, have any value, and they think they are entitled to your ideas with no compensation.
You are sorely mistaken if you think the recording industry is the only one with an issue -- get out from under that rock and do some homework.
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About Damn Time
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Re: Re: Well...
There is a huge difference between 'ratting out' people who not only did nothing morally wrong, and can suffer severe consequences.
Illegal file sharing IS ILLEGAL no matter what country you're in. It hurts more than the recond industry, but the bands and production company's that sunk their money into hoping that what they produced would sell. And I don't live in China, but I highly doubt that the punishment for copyright infringement involves anything close to death.
That being said, the internet is a big place. So it isn't just friends 'ratting out' friends. There are plenty of filesharers out there who the Boy Scouts may not be friends with. The criminals shouldn't be breaking the law in the first place if they don't want to be caught.
And of course, people don't naturally want to go way out of their way just to help out the government. So a little cash motivation isn't a bad thing. Kids wouldn't get rich off of policing, so it's hard to say that they would do it because they're greedy.
Don't over-exaggerate the situation. These aren't Terminators trying to kill off everyone who are giving away stolen songs. These are people giving law-breakers what they deserve.
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Who Gets Hurt by What?
File sharing is free advertizing. The ones who don't buy the songs are the ones who never would have anyways.
Copyright protection, on the other hand DOES hurt bands - especially the ones who start off. More than 90% of the copyrights held by various record companies are bought to KEEP them off the airwaves so they can cash in on the big names who are making them profits.
Copyright is in its essence a government supported monopoly of creative works to serve the recording industry at the expense of everyone else.
Here's a more complete review of Copyrights and the problems with them:
http://key-words.blogspot.com/2005/07/bravo-vox.html
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Re: Who Gets Hurt by What?
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And yes, copyright infringement does 'hurt' some people, but only because they are being denied their illegitimate monopoly. This is not being hurt in the same sense as being robbed or murdered. Ideas cannot be property unless you keep them a secret, and pretending that this fallacious "intellectual property" can somehow override real, physical property (like ripping CDs, for instance) is so confused as to be incoherent.
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Re: Illuminarch
In reference to your second paragraph:
Stealing from someone does not hurt them the same as robbing them? Really, when it comes between "He stole my purse" and he "Robbed me of my purse" is there really a difference? Both mean virtually the same thing, however one does sound worse. You have to understand that when someone works on a song or a movie or a program that they are proud of, they want some sort of return on that. Simply taking it and saying "At least you weren't murdered" is not what they deserve. Copyright infringement goes beyond songs.
Try and sympathize with the victims for a minute. You sit down one day with a great idea that can make everyones internet life easier. Say, you wrote a program that can do your taxes entirely automatically. It took you months to write it, but you're proud of it since it can really revolutionize lives. You decide to sell it for $20 because due to all the time you worked on it, you had less time for other stuff the past few months, and you want something for it. 3 weeks go buy, and everyone is using your program, but you don't get a penny. You don't even get a thanks. Why? Because people are just taking it.
So judging by what you're saying:
1. You were denied your illigitimate monopoly.
2. You were not robbed.
3. You had no right to earn money for that program.
4. You weren't hurt.
Read the above and tell me how much of it is true.
Now please, everyone stop picturing copyright infringement as taking music from big evil music corperations. It goes much deeper than that, down to individuals who have software and videos stolen. How can they expect to get anywhere if they continually get taken advantage of?
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Boy Scout spies...
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Re: Shawn
Stealing from someone does not hurt them the same as robbing them? Really, when it comes between "He stole my purse" and he "Robbed me of my purse" is there really a difference?
The first obvious difference is that in your example, whether you use the term "stolen" or "robbed", the owner is minus one purse. If I make an "illegal" copy of someone's music or software, I haven't taken anything away from that person. Whether such an act warrants some form of punishment or not is a topic of legitimate debate, but it is disingenuous to equate that with the stealing in the traditional sense.
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Re: Shawn
Ah, no. Not in any just society, where the state must PROVE its case and disinterested third parties weigh the facts. And buying witnesses that are more likely to prevaricate and more easily be cajoled by the prosecution is an attempt to sabotage that justice system.
"Stealing from someone does not hurt them the same as robbing them? Really, when it comes between "He stole my purse" and he "Robbed me of my purse" is there really a difference?"
This is a strawman. I never said that stealing and robbing were different, I said that the violation of intellectual monopoly laws is /not/ any form of theft. In order for there to be theft, there must be property taken from its legitimate owner without consent. Ideas, sounds, and the like can never be property because they lack scarcity. You can have an idea, tell it to me, and then I also have the idea without depriving you of it. This situation is impossible in the realm of real property, material goods like cars, food, TVs, etc.
If you want to control what people can do with your media, then you must explicitly contract those terms with them /before they receive or purchase it./ Short of that, the only legitimate method to protect your ideas is to keep them private.
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