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   What ever happened to punch cards?

   

   Jezsik, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 3:52am

   
   

   Back in the olden days, computers worked with punch cards. Why, oh why, can't someone like IBM come up with a machine that creates a paper punch card when you vote; drop the card in the reader and *bingo* you've voted AND you've left a paper trail. Although it once was, it's no longer rocket science ... sheesh.

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   You must be kidding...

   

   VoteorDie, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 4:58am

   
   

   Do the words, "hanging chad" mean anything to you?

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   Re: You must be kidding...

   

   Anonymous Coward, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 5:38am

   
   

   The hanging chads and such were the result of trying to do things cheaply: they tried to use perforated cards and inexpensive styluses instead of the much more expensive card punching machines. I would guess that computer type card punchers, while reliable, are probably way too expensive to deploy.

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   Re: You must be kidding...

   

   Wolfger, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 5:48am

   
   

   Yes.... "Hanging chad" means there is something there that a person can look at, and say "this might be a problem". Which is a heck of a lot better than the new Diebold machines that have no such indicator of problems or of intentional wrong-doing, and which cannot be recounted by hand if people suspect the machines of having an error.

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   Anonymous Coward, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 5:52am

   
   

   At least someone in congress realized these things are a huge problem, just waiting to happen

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   Open source voting machine

   

   Anonymous Coward, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 7:43am

   
   

   I'll even write the first line of code.
   
   main(){}

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   Concerned

   

   h4x0r3l33t, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 8:17am

   
   

   I'm all about the modernization and computerization of things... but something that can so easily be manipulated, i.e. computer programs, logs etc..., should not be allowed in the voting process. Political parties are the most corrupt groups of individuals this planet has ever known. Party affiliated people are as hardcore as religious fundamentalists. Why, oh why are we letting something as easily manipulated as computer systems into the voting process? Hell, doing it the old fashioned way still had its problems but they, by far, have such a smaller potential for manipulation compared to computerized forms of voting.

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   Security

   

   Wally O'Dell, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 8:57am

   
   

   Security??? How secure was the old system? At least the new system takes a monkey called baxter to break into! I promise I will bring OHIO home for GW!!!! GW for KING!!!!

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   Re: Security

   

   h4x0r3l33t, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 9:13am

   
   

   The old system wasn't overly secure, but I repeat the potential for manipulation in a computerized system is far greater.

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    anonymous coward, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 9:22am

    
    

    RFKjr and those insiders better be very careful. Diebold et al are capable of shit that would make a Grisham novel look a Mother Goose bedtime story...

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    Re: Re: You must be kidding...

    

    Dam, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 9:34am

    
    

    I would guess that computer type card punchers, while reliable, are probably way too expensive to deploy.

    
    
    Well, maybe Walmart should start selling machines made in China......

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    Re: Re: Security

    

    Pat "The Hack", Jul 10th, 2006 @ 10:20am

    
    

    I'm not buying this BS. I think this talk is generated by the Liberal Press seeking a story. A story where they do not have to have evidence or perform research in order to support their story.
    
    Explain to me how such an orchestrated attack or fraud would take place? I'm sure you have thought this through.

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    TRUST ME!!!

    

    Wally O'Dell, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 10:29am

    
    

    Trust me, the people that work at Diebold Election Systems are not smart enough to be so calculated. Why do you think I sold my stake in the company? Also, the States have process in place to prevent such fraud. The States perform System Testing on each version of software and in some case put Tamper tape on the Machine to prevent mis use. Trust me, that taper tape is the ticket!!!!

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    Re: Re: You must be kidding...

    

    jeff, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 11:48am

    
    

    I would guess that computer type card punchers, while reliable, are probably way too expensive to deploy.

    
    
    when the govt. can give totals of billions of dollars to other countries in aid, you'd think we'd be able to plunk down a little coin to get our own shit fixed, first.

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    RE: Pat

    

    j37hr0, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 12:24pm

    
    

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040816/dugger/7
    
    That's how Pat.

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    Re: RE: Pat

    

    mouse2000, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 1:48pm

    
    

    I liked the article, especially the following statement:
    
    "We had 22,000 voting stations. How would you like to be in charge of 22,000 passwords?"
    
    Gee, how many would he like? Keeping track of them? How about a database? Diebold could do so many things better for security.
    
    Thanks for the link.

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    Re: Re: Re: Security

    

    h4x0r3l33t, Jul 10th, 2006 @ 10:08pm

    
    

    ahahaha... I knew someone would try to make this a party issue... Pat, get your head out of your ass. If the systems are networked in any way to, say, a business network or any kind of network that has wan access a worm can definetly find its way in. If it happened at nuclear power plant http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6767
    then it could definetly happen on these systems.

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