Google Follows Yahoo In Questionable Bundling Deal With Adobe

from the please-explain-why dept

About a year ago, a lot of people were questioning why Macromedia made a deal to bundle Yahoo's toolbar with Flash downloads by default -- a practice many pointed out was quite similar to the way spyware was included with other apps. In fact, many seemed to feel it was sneaky and untrustworthy. Since then, Macromedia merged with Adobe, who apparently didn't have a problem with these types of deals, because they've now done a similar deal with Google for their toolbar to be included on Shockwave Player downloads. It's not clear if the Yahoo/Flash deal is replaced by this one, or if you just get competing toolbars based on which Adobe tool you download. Either way, bundling totally unrelated products as a default setting -- especially after the widespread controversy over Yahoo doing the same thing last year -- has to make some wonder how this fits into Google's "sliding scale" of evil.


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    Erstazi, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:28pm

    ....Common Sense

    Just unclick the box for the download of the toolbars.

     

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    ---, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:41pm

    Shame on you Google

    Shame on you Google! *shakes finger*

     

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    AnarCha0s, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:53pm

    Toolbars

    I agree with common sense - it is an optional install.
    Just like installing any IM appz - u can choose whether or not to use defualt settings (homepage, etc.)

     

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    AnarCha0s, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 8:53pm

    Toolbars

    I agree with common sense - it is an optional install.
    Just like installing any IM appz - u can choose whether or not to use defualt settings (homepage, etc.)

     

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    Dolph Mathews, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:02pm

    Nooooooo google nooooooo! Come back to us! We loved you :'(

    In my book, it makes both their products look unprofessional and sloppy.

     

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    Psycardis, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:16pm

    Agreed

    I agree with common sense, if you arent smart enough to read through everything when installing something on your computer and to unclick so it doesn't install, dont blame macromedia or google.

     

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    Farid, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:26pm

    Google!!! What have you done?

    Why do people bother with toolbars to begin with? They are annoying and get in the way.

     

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    A, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 9:50pm

    who cares

    Google toolbar is very usfull, I dont mind a bit.

     

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    Comprox, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 10:04pm

    Sadly

    Sadly the average user lacks common sense. Know why spyware was bunlded in? Even if it did have an option to 'de-check' it, most didnt because they didnt know, didnt read or somesuch. I am a fan of google, but don't like this at all :/

     

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    Shohat, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 11:44pm

    Ahem

    Yahoo thingy is stuck in my Acrobat reader for years ...

     

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    money people, Jun 21st, 2006 @ 11:45pm

    it's about money

    There's abiout a dollar per toolbar install for you if you can get someone to agree. That's a lot of money if people are installing your acrobat software or flash player as a requirement to view media online.

    Somebody outbid the other... and this is competitive space. Get used to it, there's nothing evil about it considering the convenience.

     

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    SRNissen, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 12:15am

    Re: who cares

    Who cares if it's useful? If I want useful software other than what I just downloaded from Macromedia, I'll bloody well download it seperately.

     

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    MOJO, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 12:45am

    Toolbars

    Should we really be that surprised? They are all Tools.

     

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    mkam, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 3:57am

    Flash and Yahoo

    I had to install flash yesterday and they do in fact still bundle the 'Yahoo! toolbar' with it. I wish I took a screen shot because you have to uncheck this tiny box in the bottom left on the installer or suddenly you have Yahoo! spyware. Seems kind of sneaky to me.

     

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    rdickson, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 7:02am

    It's business & good for U

    This deals that people complain about allow the google's and yahoo of the world to give all use cheap ass users free software to use. Granted advertising helps but gee whiz, we complain about that as well. It's not mandatory, it's no cost, pays for other free tools that I might enjoy. Win-win-win.

     

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    DB, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 7:40am

    re: Sadly

    I agree, and as a support tech this kind of thing makes me clench my teeth. These bundled toolbars break any number of web based apps I then have to fix, and I know d*mn well 90+% of my users will never even think to uncheck an tiny optional "don't install" box.

    "if you arent smart enough to read through everything when installing something on your computer"

    You don't do tech support for a living, do you?

    And we have links to both Yahoo and Google on $Company_Website.

    /me weeps

     

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    Anton, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 9:04am

    Even Sadder

    Tech Support should create silent installations so that if they actually do allow a user to install something, it can be to the liking of the IT staff.

    And SRNissen, if you were in fact advanced enough to download google toolbar on your own, a single click would not bother you on the installation of this file, seeing as that you probably also select "Custom" when going through your install to tweak it to your liking.

    Google toolbar is a blessing to any non-advanced user who downloads it. Is it a sneaky tactic? Yes. But so is your credit card sending you a letter to sign up for a partner companies service, or a magazine including those slip cards for extra subscriptions to sister magazines.

    Stop being so negative people, money happens.

     

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    anonymous coward, Jun 22nd, 2006 @ 12:06pm

    Alot of evil starts with the best of intentions....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 23rd, 2006 @ 12:54pm

    It is illegal to pre check a box for software the user never asked for. That`s why it is a backdoor, unauthrorized software install. A-la-spyware.

     

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