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Predictions

by Mike Masnick

Wed, Dec 21st 2005 1:48am





Will Fixing The Internet Break It?

from the ain't-broke... dept

MIT's Tech Review is running the third part in its three part series about the "broken internet." The first part described plans to build a new, better internet. The second part discussed the overall problems with the internet as is, and why it could use an overhaul. In both of those stories, we wondered (a) how real the problem really was (as we've all been hearing internet doom stories for a decade or so) and (b) about the unintended consequences of trying to actually anticipate all of the problems that could come up in building a brand new internet. It's the unintended consequences of believing you can pre-think through all of the potential problems that seems the most troublesome. Luckily, the third part of the series at least mentions that some experts believe this plan to create a new internet infrastructure could be quite harmful. The internet worked because it was "dumb" and didn't include many smarts. While lots of companies are looking to build the smarts back into the network, building a smarter architecture from scratch seems destined to cause more problems than it solves. The "smartness" means limitations, and it's impossible to predict what we'd really want the internet to do eventually. Those limitations are going to cause quite a bit of frustration.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 4:46am

    i got first post!!!!! besides that, i do actually have something to say... i got into MIT starting as a freshman in the 2006-2007 school year, and i'll be majoring in ocmputer science and engineering. and i'd just like to say... dont knock the MIT ppl, b/c we smart as heelll :D

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    I wonder who it is who really wants to *fix* the i

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    Oliver Wendell Jones, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 4:56am

    I can't help but wonder if organizations like the RIAA, MPAA, Christian Parents Against People Having Fun Anywhere, etc. aren't the people who want to "Fix" the internet by making it impossible to share music, movies, porn, violent video games, etc.

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    fuzzix, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:19am

    Yeah, your post is certainly an indication of that.

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    Chris H, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:20am

    "i got first post!!!!! besides that, i do actually have something to say... i got into MIT starting as a freshman in the 2006-2007 school year, and i'll be majoring in ocmputer science and engineering. and i'd just like to say... dont knock the MIT ppl, b/c we smart as heelll :D"

    ...wow

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    Pirtle, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:23am

    Speed is the only thing that needs to be upgraded. Only reason to rebuild the internet is if some sort of speed boundary is reached. I would be too afraid of the outcome to support doing a complete overhaul.

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    KISS method

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    Brannen Taylor, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:38am

    I guess MIT does not equal KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)

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    KISS

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    Bobby Cannon, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:52am

    I like the idea of keeping things simple and allowing the room for creating new products and technologies. All I can see is a "smarter" internet that limits what we can do. Oh and don't admit to be a MIT student and not proof read your post before submitting them. :)

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:53am

    to the first poster: juuuuust a bit off-topic, but um.. a worthy contribution nontheless =)

    Just remember, once you start classes, you might want to drop the ego as it will inhibit learning (trust me, I know).

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 5:58am

    Money can get you into any school. Your post is evidence of this.

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    bigboi, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 6:17am

    i think having a more structured architecture would help developers with some of the current inconsistencies, but i'm like the other guy. i would hate to think what "built-in features" would be influenced by special intrest groups. i'd also hate to see M$oft take over the freedom of the net.

    BTW, if the first guy is going to MIT, i'm santa.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 6:23am

    You know, the google toolbar could spellcheck that for ya!

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    eeptool, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 6:27am

    Impressive spelling. I didn't know that MIT had a "ocmputer science" department. Is that the same as Course 6-3 or have they changed the names as well as the numbers since I've been there.
    I surmise that you will have fun telling people you went to MIT until the day you die, but being admitted is not the same as graduating.
    Hopefully you will be able to tell people you graduated as well, but don't blow your load too soon because you haven't gotten past the 6.001 course. LISP is such a wonderful language for recursion and general mayhem, but it is a bugger.
    So in closing, good luck at MIT and don't be suprised if one day you are part of that 50% of the incoming class that flunk out to which they say: "Leave, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!"

    Have a Day,
    eeptool, MIT Class of 1990

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    anon, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 6:32am

    You might be smart, but apparently you can't spell.

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    Getting Warmer, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 6:46am

    You may be able to spell, but your grammer is lacking.

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    Sissy Pants, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 7:07am

    It's grammar... not grammer...

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    "fixing"?

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    Harry Bools, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 7:42am

    They've been fixing the Internet for years. One of the reasons the Internet exists is to act as a hotbed for testing out new technology. And over time, whatever technology really worked or found a use online, stuck. Thus the Internet has morphed and changed as we have needed it to. The only thing that I can see that would cause some upheaval would be when we outgrow TCP/IP and need something faster, as it was designed in the late 60's for slow, dirty networks. There are even several possible replacements being tested ON THE INTERNET. Even if they tried to build a bigger, better, faster Internet in parallel to the existing one (like I don't know, I2....already exists by the way), they would still have to slowly migrate over to it, piece by piece to avoid disrupting major veins of traffic and business. Am I alone here? Does no one see my point(s)?

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 7:51am

    As has been hinted, the only motivation for "rebuilding the internet" is money. Perhaps the RIAA, MPAA, and other such dinosaur organizations have a significant stake in dictating how internet traffic moves. However, I strongly suspect that ordinary multinational corporations have a much greater motivation. The internet as we know it was not designed for the rapacious needs of conscience-free giants. But now that they understand how it might be of use to them, they have both the will and the means to build a pseudo-internet to their liking.

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    Harry Bools, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 7:56am

    I agree that they might build their own piece. And that's fine. Let them have it and use it to their own ends. But that wouldn't necessarily impact all the other parts of the Internet. The conscience-free giants may have money and will, but the Internet is a pretty big beast. I doubt they have the unity to even take a whack at the ankles of the Internet. (if it had ankles...but you know what I mean...goooooshhh)

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    Harry Bools, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:05am

    And I hate to say this, but MIT isn't what it was in 1990. After all, they let little turds like Mr. "smart as heelllll" in. I've been back recently, and they just dumped 400 million into the design and building of their new cognative sciences (stata) building. What a waste of money. I mean come on, 400 million. How many kids in Africa could have had a real education and a real chance at life for that much money? But no. They saw fit to spend it on making their new building look like it came out of a Dr. Seuss book.

    here's a link:
    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2004/stata-open.html

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    The state of up and coming computer techs.......

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    Old Skool Hack3r, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:09am

    To the first poster....... You are a fine example of why companies in America are resorting to outsorcing our tech jobs to place where the people can't speak English ( India ). And you know what......... I could probably communicate with them in a more meaningful way than I ever could a so called l33t like you. Crawl back under the chip you emerged from.

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    If it aint broke...

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:10am

    "... dont fix it"
    hasnt anyone ever heard this expression?

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    Steve, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:31am

    Saying the Internet is broken is like saying the Universe needs fixing. I agree we need to add some type of intelligence to the internet core that can sniff out bad guys doing bad things. But I think it will be a long time before a stable, unintrusive security platform can be introduced into the core.

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    Re: The state of up and coming computer techs.....

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    Shbe, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:43am

    OMG the OP is a troll. Get a clue

    I worry about today's techs.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:43am

    How about "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Slowly upgrade the internet, peice by needed peice, and let academics carry this out to everyones benifit, not just those with money

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    hautedawg, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:45am

    If he's going to MIT, and you're Santa, can I be the Stanford Easter Bunny? I'm really dumb as dirt, and money couldn't get me into "any" school, but I did manage to granulate. First poster congrats! Just stay in school or drop the ego, it's one or the other...

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    titanandrews, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 8:50am

    Yes, we can all see how smart you are. You can't even spell.

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    GZ, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:15am

    Hey this isn't funny.
    You went to MIT and you can't post a link properly?

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    Simplicity, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:24am

    Wow, I am glad to see that everyone took such offense to the post poster.

    Was it that big of a deal? ... i think not.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:26am

    *first


    let me correct that before i get 300 messages correcting it.

    THIS ISN'T AN ESSAY FOLKS

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    Jared Anderson, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:33am

    wtf I think we are off topic.

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    Off Topic

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    Bobby Cannon, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:50am

    Yep, we are definitely off topic. :)

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    uhh

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    Bryan, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:55am

    I have a theory, when the first post has no revelence to the topic of the blurb, THEN IT SCREWS UP FURTHER POSTS.

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 9:59am

    poo

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    Re: uhh

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    Simplicity, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 10:06am

    That must be it bryan

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    Re:

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    Jim Bob Joe, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 10:20am

    The same problem applies with Operating Systems we can't just jump over to a totally new operating system, everything has to be rebuilt. We would never be able to stop using one and start using another. We need to expand the exsisting structure, not build a whole new internet. Just my 2 cents.

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    DittoBox, Dec 21st, 2005 @ 11:39am

    In typical slashdot style I shall descend like a vulture to gather up my unawares prey:

    Right. You won't last a week in MIT with that quality understanding of English.

    'heell'? 'ocmputer'?

    MIT must be getting desperate...

    PS: :P

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 18th, 2006 @ 12:55pm

    How did you get into MIT with that kind of spelling. Sheesh.

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