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   Anonymous Coward, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 5:50pm

   
   

   So, it's ok for Apple to do it with the iPod + iTunes crap, but MS is evil for trying it?

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   nremdpm, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:04pm

   
   

   the ipod has tons of competitors that compete decently. microsoft competes with mac (linux doesnt count)
   
   apple just made a good marketing decision and had some good commercials

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   does it matter, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:05pm

   
   

   exactly and you can't not say it's different since apple isn't a monopoly...bullshit...they have almost a complete monopoly over the mp3 player business

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   ChaOS, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:13pm

   
   

   thats why they are being sued for forcing you to use iTunes...
   
   Apple = mp3 Player Monopoly

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   Anonymous Coward, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:19pm

   
   

   Well, the thing is that Apple makes both iTunes and the iPod. You're free to use other people's software (iPodLinux) on the iPod, but it's not as though the iTunes section of Apple is forcing the rest of it to distribute iTunes-compatible iPods--it's within Apple.

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   nonuser, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:35pm

   
   

   The big monopolies in the digital world are:
   

   
   
   1. Microsoft's control of desktop operating systems
      
   2. Baby Bells control over local telephone loops
      
   3. Cable TV companies' control over local CATV service
      

   
   Notice what makes them so formidable, is that it's hard to imagine what a competitor can do to get around them. Even a smart, determined competitor with deep pockets can't knock any of these guys off directly, the best they can do is try to start a new industry based on a different paradigm. Can you imagine someone knocking off Apple in portable music? Sure, they've only been out there for a few years. Netscape was the big wheel in browsers for a couple years. Sony was the biggest player in electronics only a few years ago. What they don't have is an insurmountable position like the above three. And notice the above are all massive cash cows, so Microsoft and co. can afford to buy out lots of promising startups that are working on the paradigm shifts.
   
   

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   DGK12, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 6:42pm

   
   

   And apple doesn't allow distributors to distribute different OSs on a Mac. Apple doesn't let you use a different distribution of music for its IPod. Apple won't allow other MP3 players using iTunes... Apple has trade secrets and wont allow independent journalism. I've heard all this and more; Apple is a corporation too and plays by those rules, Cut Throat competition.
   
   Game over

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   Anonymous Coward, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 7:03pm

   
   

   Very nicely put. It has nothing to do with being a monopoly, it has to do with who's the better marketer. Who's product is most appealing.

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   big j, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 7:22pm

   
   

   iPod + iTunes = APPLE. MS doesn't make a mp3 player. Apple bundles their software with their player. are you stupid?

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    MikeJ, Oct 20th, 2005 @ 8:35pm

    
    

    Still, iTunes is damn slick. If all monopolies were like Apple's, I'd want more of them

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    teKuru, Oct 21st, 2005 @ 5:25am

    
    

    Yeah well Windows + Internet Explorer + Windows Media Player = MICROSOFT, but yet everyone wants to sue MS to get them to take apart the package. All the lawmakers wanted it, but how many people have actually bought Windows XP N? How many OEMs actually sell machines with XP N?

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    eeyore, Oct 21st, 2005 @ 7:19am

    
    

    I use iTunes to download music but I don't have an iPod, so where's the monopoly?

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 21st, 2005 @ 8:50am

    
    

    steve jobs is just as much a maniacal monopolist as bill gates, he's just not as smart and more of a sleazebag.

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    G, Oct 21st, 2005 @ 10:34am

    
    

    Apple isnt licensing their software at all. Thats the difference. Their product, their software. MS is licensing their software, they shouldnt be able to control the products of other peoples that simply license their software.

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 22nd, 2005 @ 2:28am

    
    

    Monopolies are not illegal. When the courts finds one to be contrary to public good (as happened to MS), then that monopoly is declared illegal. Remedies are put in place. MS tried to violate one of the terms of the remedies handed down in its case.
    
    Also, haven't seen where Apple told any other company it had to sell its product and could not sell someone elses. SO how is this comparable? At all.

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