The Internet Patched Back Together With Duct Tape… For Now
from the we'll-splinter-it-next-month dept
Following three days of angry rhetoric between Level 3 and Cogent over whose fault it was that lots of people couldn’t reach half of the internet the two sides have come to a temporary agreement to patch the internet back together. However, if they can’t work out their differences in a month, the internet will be splintered again. Of course, you can expect that some time in the next month some politicians will pick up on this and start talking about regulations to keep the internet together.
Comments on “The Internet Patched Back Together With Duct Tape… For Now”
No Subject Given
…then of course the politicians will debate for a month and a half and nothing will ever get done…
Re: No Subject Given
Knowing american politicians nothing will get done untill some special interest group buys enough politicians.
Hm, this could be a plot orchestrated by the MPAA
Internet Patches
This is precisely why I’ve switched to Mozilla’a Firefox
Re: Internet Patches
Huh?
Re: Internet Patches
Can Mozilla connect to the internet when there is none?
Re: Re: Internet Patches
only if you have been really busy, and allowed Mozilla to have a HUGE cache.
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
>only if you have been really busy, and allowed Mozilla to have a HUGE cache.
Heh…
M/FF ALWAYS have a huge cache… in FF even if you set the cache to 0, it tries to not load new web pages. It’s a very LAZY browser…
Re: Internet Patches
It’s funny, people!
Re: Internet Patches
I hope that was a joke otherwise I feel very sorry for you
Re: Internet Patches
uh ?
Hope you are not confusing Internet with Explorer
Re: Internet Patches
I switched to mozilla. when i decided to change back it had slapped spyware and trojans all over my pc. it hijacked my home page and i ended up reformatting to get rid of the last vestiges of Mozilla.. that company is a bunch of sorry c*** suckers and i dont mean that in a good way.. Its sure as hell not the answer to anything.
Re: Re: Internet Patches
I can’t speak for Mozilla but it shares a lot with Firefox… Enough that I can pretty safely say that the browser wasn’t the reason you were inundated with spyware. The only reason you are going to get spyware is through negligence (eg. clicking “Yes” when you should be reading the message box first), using an unprotected Internet Explorer, or running 3rd party applications (either knowingly or accidentally via some internet worm).
But your concern is valid – as Mozilla and Firefox gain popularity, malicious coders are going to be targetting it as well as IE.
I recently switched back to Opera. It’s now free, and still the fastest and nicest looking browser around. Try it out at opera.com. It can’t handle every page out there but I can safely use it for 99% of my browsing.
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
I guess people here really are stupid.
Yeah! Opera makes the internet work!
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
I’m still wondering how long are you moron are going to continue using pathetic underdeveloped browsers like mozzillla, firefox or the “plain vanila” mother of all OPERA.
PEOPLE TRY AVANT BROWSER……..
http://www.avantbrowser.com
integrated window control so that nothing can hide behind the page you’re surfing, and launch crap. Build in AD blocking “…Thank GOD FOR AVANT”….. Build in Popup blocker…”…Thanks again.”
and if you would please tell me HOW IS the browser you’re using Relevant to the Problem between tier 1 providers….and NO your browser “MOZZILLA” is not the internet, or the last mile…Your ISP is the “last mile” provider…You NUBISH moron…
Re: Re: Re:2 Internet Patches
Either you’re joking, or you’re just a dumbass:
AVANT BROWSER : Is just a wrapper for IE6.
Build in AD blocking : Can be achieved with Firefox extensions
Build in Popup blocker : All main browsers have this now.
:It was established that this was a joke.
You NUBISH moron… : Indeed.
Re: Re: Re:3 Internet Patches
Yes avant browser comes will all kinds of features like the ability to run activeX controls to install trojans on your computer, holes that microsoft built in that are left open for malicious code and every other shortcoming that IE brings to the table. They just added more crap on top to make it act like Firefox but keep the insecure browsing environment of IE.
Ok, so it’s not worse than using IE, but it’s not better either.
Re: Re: Re:2 Internet Patches
You need to do your homework… Your browser is based on IE and we know how secure it is.
Is Avant Browser a secure browser?
Yes, Avant Browser is secure. Since it’s based on Internet Explorer, Avant Browser is as secure as Internet Explorer. Avant Browser supports all SSL secured websites. Avant Browser’s encryption length is the same as Internet Explorer’s.
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
I went thru this discussion with the ‘tech’ people… ok..you agree its all my fault..i dont, but then im not a tech..but i can read agreements, and i do. The fact remains that when all was said and done, no matter what I did, ‘some malacious nefarious and sinister group’ tried to make mozilla look ‘bad’ apparently and kept highjacking my home page and putting mozilla in its place. Im sure mozilla was aghast at such things. You’re all full of it. mozilla did it personally or paid people to do it. If i could find out where mr. mozilla lives id go over and spray paint my name on the side of his house. It’s the same principle.
Re: Re: Internet Patches
Maybe you should watch which internet sites you go to a little. Since that is the real reason for getting parasites and viruses.
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
that comment was directed towards Stephen’s comment about mozilla…
Re: Re: Re:2 Internet Patches
thanx. um.. maybe you could give me a list of sites not to visit? What a lovely world if i could go to the site i wanted without having to worry about mindless juveniles and greedy scum suckers doing bad things. dont they have any ‘family values’? in bush’s third term he is going to take care of all the liberal trash responsible, im certain, god bless america. long live homeland security.
Re: Re: Re:3 Internet Patches
Sites not to visit? Pretty easy really. For the most part, there is nothing truly free on the internet anymore; you’ll pay somehow. The things that are free are getting fewer and further between.
General rule of thumb: P2P applications, even if they say they don’t have spyware, most likely do. Screensavers.com does not care about the damage their crap does to your PC. And, most importantly, update, update, update.
Re: Re: Re:3 Internet Patches
I wasn’t going to reply to this but now that I saw what you wrote, you are an idiot.
Re: Re: Re:4 BGP
I am surprised that no one seemed to care about this issue. Most just chocked it up to idiots with “single homed” connections.
Quick survey:
The problem was caused by:
1. every roadrunner customer in the country was an idiot for not having atleast two separate isps for their connection.
2. every level3 and cogent customer were idiots for not calling tech support and saying BGP.
3. Level3 was blocking cogent traffic across their network to blackmail them into paying for peering.
The solution to the network outage that affected every road runner customer in the country and many dsl customers was:
1. everyone signed up for a second internet connection.
2. everyone called their isp and said BGP.
3. Level 3 stopped blocking cogent traffic.
(answers 3,3)
Re: Re: Internet Patches
I seriously doubt switching back to IE from Mozilla was your source of trojans, etc. Perhaps you should consider removing your P2P apps and “free” screensavers.
Re: Re: Internet Patches
??What are you talking about?? Watch where you’re going–literally. Use proper security controls and anti-spyware tools. Update them regularly. Then you shouldn’t have these problems. Other Mozilla users have not had this problem. Perhaps they’re just out to get YOU! Actually, your claims are so ridiculous sounding that I’m wondering if you’re just joking around.
Re: Re: WTF?
Maybe you’re thinking of Netscape, which is owned by AOL now, and does crap ads all over your filesystem, but you can remove them without having to reformat. Firefox is different and doesn’t install anything but Firefox.
Re: Re: Re: WTF?
This is the most amusing thread I’ve read in ages!
ONE guy cracks a joke that since the ISPs are bickering, “that’s why he switched to Firefox”.
it was a _joke_.
again, ROFLCOPTER!!
Re: Re: Re: WTF?
Firefox, IE, Tier 1’s? What the crap do any of these have in common with the other???
To borrow a phrase from the late, beloved Jed Clampett,
“Pitiful, Pitiful”.
I can only hope (against all hope I am afraid) that some you folks are surfing on election day… the thought that some of you may actually Vote conjurs up the horror of all horrors….
Re: Internet Patches
I thought the readers of “tech dirt” were more educated than postings like “This is precisely why I’ve switched to Mozilla’a Firefox”. After reading that comment, I almost popped a blood vessel. The only thing that controlled the intracerebral hemorrhage was writing this reply.
What relevance does the type of browser you’re using relate to the peering issues between two tier 1 ISPs? Please explain! Or better yet, please don’t; the bleeding has stopped for now.
LOL!
Re: Re: Internet Patches
well…tier 1 ISPs and the last mile connections are roughly the same thing…by the transitive property, your browser is too…basically, my installation of firefox is the internet. All of it. Fuck Al Gore, it was me all along.
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
That’s precisely why I’ve switched to Mozilla’a Firefox
Re: Re: Internet Patches
I agree Scott… I was so confused when I read that, I thought I was missing something!
Re: Re: Re: Internet Patches
It’s strange how one joke can make so many people look like complete fools. Keep postin’ suckaz, you’re keeping me entertained.
Re: Re: Internet Patches
I have to agree with you man. I would have thought that people who posted on this forum for would more intelligent than to think that a browser has to do with the internet. It offered a good laugh though!
Re: Internet Patches
How in the world does switching to Firefox make any difference when the problem lies at one of the primary levels of connection? Choice of browser has absolutely NO effect on this, other than some of the people not able to reach websites are using Firefox.
Re: Internet Patches
Well that made somewhat nosense.
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ROFLCOPTER
This is why I switched to the AOL browser!!!1
It’s fastAR on the intARweb!!!!!111juan
Re: Internet Patches
What Mozilla has to do with the internet being down? If there is no internet no matter what browser you are using it will not work.
Re: Re: Internet Patches
When the internet was down, the guy in the mail-room was blamed and then was promptly fired. Knowing that most “big-wig” company managers are clueless about computer technologies, Jose should have just called in sick that day.
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i call CHANANIGANS!!! i have to use 2 difrent comps in order to acsesssal the internet! its complicated and dont need to say wat programs i have to use to acsees many parts of the internet.but it sucks!!!!!
Re: Internet Patches
I also have some good news………….. I saved a ton of money by switching to Geiko….or is it Gecko..hell what does it matter after that Firefox blurb.
No Subject Given
Hey Mike, stop writing like a 12 year old. The internet wasn’t splintered at all. BGP routes just weren’t advertised between the two networks. If anyone had half a brain, and had multi-homed connections to support their “businesses” (read: not browsing porn at home) they wouldn’t have a problem, because other providers still had working routes between the two.
Only poorly planned setups had problems, IE: those with stupid single-homed connections.
Seems Techdirt is worse than Slashdot now with these headlines written to incite stupidity.
Re: BGP has nothing to do with the outage - moron.
Every dsl and every cable connection to the internet is single homed, moron. Only everyone with a connection from home was affected.
Lets see you get a phone company or cable company to multi-home your connection retard. Lets see you tell them to just change their routing, retard.
It is a backbone problem and has nothing to do with the end user, retard. When the backbone providers break their connection, everyone below them is broken until they fix it, retard.
Re: No Subject Given
“anyone had half a brain, and had multi-homed connections to support their “businesses” (read: not browsing porn at home) they wouldn’t have a problem, because other providers still had working routes between the two.”
I disagree with this, this is like saying since you had a spare tire, you never actually had a flat. It wasn’t advertised to me that my DSL provider might not be able to connect me to half the internet, I would have thought it was a _WEB_ meaning lack of single points of failure. Obviosuly something went wrong, and the backup plans you are referring to (in my experience) have never planned for teir 1 problems, just ATM failovers such as Sprint to MCI. (I’m sure they exist though) In most cases I would assume being able to route packets around with the backup plan was just coencidental with redundant providers.
Anyway, there are enough life/death and economical factors to easily justify government intervention here. Just as the government steps in with major telecommunication arguements (I work for verzion) imagine what would happen if Verizon stopped connecting people to Sprint.
Oh and uh… leave my porn out of this, I can’t think of a better reason for dual connections.
Re: Re: No Subject Given
For the Love of God man! No Government ever solved any problem except with a rifle (and then the results were debateble). $$$$ drives it all. No company will risk the liability associated with “life/death…factors”. Let the market police itself. Lose 20k-30K subscribers and I gaurantee you the problem gets fixed before next month. And if it does not get fixed, then the Company SHOULD go out of business.
Obviously, you have never worked for the Government. Oh and uh, when the Gov’t gets into it, you can bet you royal butt your porn will be the first to go….
Re: Re: Re: We fired our MS trained staff
and will be buying more HP servers and running Linux on it as it’s more compatible with Internet. heh heh…
Re: Re: Re: No Subject Given
I cannot believe that no one has complained about the lack of Viagra or ring-tone spam you won?t be receiving if the internet were to fail.
Again, I?m glad I switched to FireFox.
ha!
You’re all cracking me up! STOOOP!!! 😉
Internets
The browser you should use depends on which one of the Internets you are using. I use IE for the one that George Bush uses and FireFox on the other internet.
No Subject Given
This is precisely why Ive switched to Mozillaa Firefox
Re: Mozilla Ownzor
This is precisely why I switched to Mozilla’s Internet. It works better.
ROFL. I couldn’t help my self, sorry guys!
😛
Re: Re: Mozilla Ownzor
We are all kidding at this point. But, I’m not so sure about that first poster…
And if he/she was not. Well, hell, that just explains alot about those types of folks who have switched to Mozilla/Firefox, claiming it to be more secure and what not.
Dumbasses
Re: Re: Re: Firefox Explorer
I have both icons on my computer, so when I run it I get FirefoxExplorer.
It is way faster now than the internet used to be, but that might have something to do with summer being over and nobody using air conditioners (lots more electricity to go around)
No Subject Given
This is precisely why I switched to Redd Foxx.
Re: No Subject Given
This is precisely why I’ve switched to Killian’s Redd
Re: Re: No Subject Given
Good thing today is a holiday! I laughed so hard I spilled my Killian’s, and had to switch to wine.
Re: Re: Re: i just felt left out..
With 76 comments, I had to at least add this and join in on the fun!
and why not regulate to some extent?
critical infrastructure needs some degree of regulation. I would welcome it.
Re: and why not regulate to some extent?
There’s no such thing as a little government regulation. I can see this being used as an excuse for increased control of the internet when it’s really (as several have said) only a problem for poor system planners.
Boy am I glad I switched!
I bought one o’ them new wireless mouses and so now I don’t have to worry about how two other companies conexions issues are gonna effect me. I don’t even have a wire connectin my mouse to the innernet! Hah!
Re: wow
wow, u guys are morons….
if ur a nerd enuff to read tech dirt, at least try to be an intelligent nerd–its not like u have a date to distract u from ur studies
Re: Re: wow
I agree, the reason you got spyware was natural selection. Who pays for microsoft products these days anyways? all they are going to do is siphon money out of you by telling you that you need to reactivate and when it doesn’t you need to buy yet another version…
Some advice for the true PC user is that you will have a better time on the pc, with faster games and programs, if you switch to one of the following FREE operating systems:
Mandriva
Debian
Suse
These are the top leading Linux distros and currently I use Debian. I have never had a virus of spyware EVER for years.
This still does not mitigate the fact that we are talking about internet companies cutting access between backbone servers NOT your browser or client software. If half of the world is not pingable you might as well be disconnected from the net entierly
Re: Re: Re: wow
Mandriva
Debian
Suse
These are the top leading Linux distros and currently I use Debian. I have never had a virus of spyware EVER for years.
Got any proof to back up youyr claim that these are the ‘leading’ GNU/Linux forks?
Evans Data put FreeBSD before Debian and didn’t list Mandriva in a survey of software developers and what they use.
So, give some data to back up your claim.
Re: Re: wow
Word of the day: Fecetious
I bought Dell
I heard Dell’s machines are more compatible with the internet. HAHAHA
Re: I bought Dell
I see you have been reading on this post and have forgoten what it was originally intended for. I shall remind you. The ISP’s had a dispute (probably wanting more money) and some people where unable to reach some of thier websites. Not about some moron who can’t tell the differance between an internet BROWSER and an internet CONNECTION. Please stop making dumb comments on here and keep the posts relavent to the topic.
The part that makes my day
as a conduit of video over ip/ds3/oc3(and up) is we build redunant paths through these jerk offs and they spend all hours of the day coming up with un-coordinated emergency maintenances that cause glitches through out the path, giving us operations people fits trying to line down just where and what so our clientel can go back to enjoying the “show”… life was so much more reliable when we were a satelite communications company instead of some idiots dream idea of a one stop shop…. where 7/8ths of the shop is outsourced to more companies you could list on an old fashioned fax roll.
Tier 1
Vell, Vat vee seem to haf hier, retart, ees
the inability of the real tier vun provider, dee ent-yusser, to connect directly mit dee udder tier vun provider, retart. hehe… there should be a license required for browsing and posting.
Ein other case of seven layers of retarts.
Re: Tier 1
Vell yoo vud not get vun lisenz obviusly, retart.
Did you get a different answer than 3,3? Well, then you must not have read the article. Too bad you are too busy to educate yourself before posting your mistakes.
Re: Re: math
hello…. lol
Re: Re: Re: math
Wow, your powers of discourse are incredible. You almost won me over with that last post.
Unfortunately, I am still unconvinced that whining about some server not being multihomed actually fixed this problem for the end user who was unable to access said sites. Level3 was blocking cogent packets, so, um sorry, um, even “hello” just doesnt fix the problem that level3 did fix.
so, um, hello.
Policies
With all of the internet traffic flowing through so many Large communication companies and Universities, would it be a bad thing if the politicians became involved? My thoughts are no, however the devil’s advocate in me could argue to make a valid point.
huh?
I have no idea what exactly you guys are talking about, but if you are gonna debate about firefox vs. internet explorer, do yourselves a favor…
Firefox has an extention called IE view, so if it doesn’t look right, you can right-click and open in IE. If the page doesn’t load at all or a plug-in is not compatible, there is an option to always load the page in IE so now you have an auto-browser switch when needed. Enjoy.
No Subject Given
Duh! You think the firefox thread is for real? Shows how stupid you are that you dont get the joke. But calling everyone in on the joke morons, wow that really shows you are clueless.
To the BGP retards, it has nothing to do with your isp, nor with whether the sites are multi-homed. It has to do with the tier 1 providers.
Shenaningans
I didn’t have any connection problems, that’s why I use AOL to access the internet. AOL keeps me safe from spyware & they’re working around the clock to protect me from viruses that haven’t even been invented yet. Although I did pickup the “iloveubutimnotinlovewithyou” virus recently from bearshare when it installed gator
Re: Shenaningans
really? I picked up “iloveubutonlyasalittlesister” from several men lately.
I’m not even a fatteh!
snarf.
interwebs
soon *all* teh interwebs will be owned by OPEC and the Chinese! Start caching now!
interweb patches
When the interweb is segregated and becomes a pay-service, I will download the new [insert citrus fruit here]wire client and use P@P to download the other parts.
Better yet, BitTorrent.
Snarf!
Level 3 vs Cogent Lyrically
Spencer Katt’s blog chronicled the whole initial battle by setting it to an old Beatles tune.
Pretty amusing.
Lyrical Level 3 vs Cognos battle ...
… Set to a Beatles tune?Forgot to include the URL: http://blog.ziffdavis.com/katt/archive/2005/10/07.aspx
make money
How’s China printing industry developed this years, who can tell us?
China based plastic injection molding services with low costs and supeior quality
Steel and aluminum scaffolding for construction is a very useful tool.
Of Enzyte course, you can expect that some time in the next month some politicians will pick up on this and start talking about regulations to keep the internet together.
omg! 84 comments are too much 😉
I’m agree with China Tent!
And Mozilla is my favourite browser!
I thought the readers of tech dirt were more educated than postings like This is precisely why I’ve switched to Mozilla’a Firefox.