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   dorpus, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 12:18pm

   
   

   Profiteering

   Would we want doctors making bucks as kidney pimps? Even if they don't, a system where they could do so will undermine the patient-doctor relationship. We have enough ethical problems as it is -- a little bit of knowledge is dangerous when it comes to people presuming to be able to make the same judgements as physicians.
   
   
   

    

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   Steve Mueller, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 1:04pm

   
   

   Ethics, Shmethics

   Come on. It's not like these people are going to back-alley doctors from the Bahamas without medical licenses. Even if the person finds a willing donor, physicians will still need to test for compatibility and do the surgery.

   As for the risk that money will change hands, so what? Abortion (by some accounts baby killing) is legal. Parents with a sick child are having children specifically to serve as donors for sick one. Drug companies take samples from patients, create drugs and make lots of money without the patient seeing a dime. Why shouldn't an organ donor be able to make some money? Yes, I realize that some desperate people might sell their organs, but people sell sperm and blood plasma now.

   The worst aspect, as far as I can see, is that "more deserving" recipients might lose out to people paying for organs. I'd hate to see Larry Ellison or Bill Gates get an organ because they could pay that would have otherwise gone to a sick child, but that's capitalism.

   If we don't want people getting money for saving people's lives, why should doctors get paid, either?

    

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   dorpus, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 1:24pm

   
   

   Re: Ethics, Shmethics

   So you want to make it easier for people claiming to be "doctors" telling people that they found a match? Or for real doctors who are not qualified phrenologists to become kidney traders, Wall Street style? How about some cheap kidneys from China and India, just ignore the coronavirus-induced inflammation....
   
   

    

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   wig, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 2:25pm

   
   

   the problem

   the "problem" or "inefficiency" with the current kideny donor system (here in canada at least) is that the rich have to wait in the same line as the poor for a kidney donor. they dont like waiting, so they 'buy pass'(haha) the system, and pay someone in a third world country 5 grand for their kidney. here we call it 'transplant tourism.'
   
   whether or not this is ethical is up for debate. personally, as a canadian, i think someone rich who doesnt like waiting for our public health care can renounce their canadian citizenship and move to the states or to one of those third world countries and enjoy the many benefits/shortcomings of a private health care system. they want to live with the benefits of canadian socialist government, without the shortcomings of private healthcare. i say you can't havee it both ways.

    

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   Greg S, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 3:08pm

   
   

   net transplants

   As someone who has had a kidney transplant, I have a bit more knowledge on this than most. People who wait for a cadaver transplant, as I did, can wait many years, though it's highly dependent on blood type and state (States that have removed motercycle helmet laws have become better bets if you are waiting for a transplant, for example).
   
   Anyway, there has long been controvery over whether to accept non-family members as donors. With waiting lists getting longer and longer, there is a greater need for live donors. Doctors do psychological tests on all people donating kidneys since they worry about psychological pressure (as well as money). They expect donors to have strong ties to the person needing the kidney. When people find donors over the net, there obviously are no strong ties, and doctors are automatically suspicious of motives. However, they should not automatically assume there's money involved. Every live donor means another person gets a kidney they ordinarily wouldn't have gotten through the system.
   
   What really needs to be done is a much better job of getting folks to donate when they die. Everyone should at least be required to say yes or no, and perhaps you should have to have said yes to get a kidney when you need one.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 8:08pm

   
   

   Re: Ethics, Shmethics

   
   Actually, when Bill Gates (for example) buys a kidney, he is buying it from someone who would not have otherwise donated it, which means that in buying his kidney, he is not taking the donated kidney, and therefore it will still be available for the person who cannot afford to pay for one.
   
   Buying organs puts MORE of them on the market, and makes things better for everyone. Does Bill get his kidney before the destitute child? Probably, but they both get a kidney, instead of only one of them getting the only one available… And besides, since when has money not bought speed and comfort? And why shouldn’t it? That is what it is for.
   
   

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 8:10pm

   
   

   Re: the problem

   Of course you can have it both ways - IF you can afford it. That is what $$$ buys.

    

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   aviator202, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 9:21pm

   
   

   Buying kidneys?

   Ahhhhhh, folks? There is one itty bitty problem with selling organs. You know those organs you have? You know, your eyes, kidneys, lungs, etc. and all that stuff you are using right now.......and probably want to keep on using? See, if you can't sell organs under any circumstances, your precious organs are economically worthless. However, if you can now sell an organ, any organ, for a profit........Guess what happens? All your stuff that is now worthless becomes worth a lot !!!! And like we now have gangs who steal autos....well, your eyes may be their next target. That is why organ sales MUST remain illegal. It protects all of us healthy folks !!!!<br>is why organs sales must be

    

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   aviator202, Dec 13th, 2004 @ 9:22pm

   
   

   Buying kidneys?

   Ahhhhhh, folks? There is one itty bitty problem with selling organs. You know those organs you have? You know, your eyes, kidneys, lungs, etc. and all that stuff you are using right now.......and probably want to keep on using? See, if you can't sell organs under any circumstances, your precious organs are economically worthless. However, if you can now sell an organ, any organ, for a profit........Guess what happens? All your stuff that is now worthless becomes worth a lot !!!! And like we now have gangs who steal autos....well, your eyes may be their next target. That is why organ sales MUST remain illegal. It protects all of us healthy folks !!!!<br>

    

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    Steve Mueller, Dec 14th, 2004 @ 1:53am

    
    

    Organ Gangs

    I've read Larry Niven's stories (like "The Defenseless Dead") that dealt with organ banks, but I still find aviator's organ gangs a bit of a scare tactic for two reasons.

    First, buying stolen merchandise is currently illegal, but people still steal things and sell them. Organs, requiring extreme skill to make use of, are obviously somewhat different, but don't kid yourself that the laws aren't circumvented.

    Second, if somebody rich was on an organ donation list, what (other than morals) prevents them from hiring a gang who starts killing people with compatible organs? If he doesn't get the first victim's organ, he has them kill again until he does get one. He's not paying directly for the organ, but the effect is the same. Well, actually, it's worse, because the "donor" is possibly dead and definitely doesn't get the money for his organ, plus there could be more than one victim.

     

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    Matt, Dec 14th, 2004 @ 5:57am

    
    

    Re: Organ Gangs

    didn't Michael Connelly write a book along those lines..

     

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    me, Dec 14th, 2004 @ 6:32am

    
    

    Re: the problem

    "...i think someone rich who doesnt like waiting for our public health care can renounce their canadian citizenship"
    
    Yeah, they're already doing that...It's called the Brain-Drain
    
    "...the benefits of canadian socialist government"
    
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!
    stop...you're killing me..no seriously...the soviet style hospital "bread lines" are literally KILLING ME!

     

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    freddie montana, Dec 14th, 2004 @ 7:12am

    
    

    buying kidneys online, etc...

    If governments would do their job, (i.e: enforce contracts), then whether a person sell a kidney, or any other body part should be a non issue. Similarily, if they should die from the procedure: well, you get the story...
    It plainly states that government's job is to promote life, liberty, etc: NOT protect it: else they wouldn't have a military. That is by far the biggest waster of life on the planet...
    From the Great Lakes...

     

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    aileen, May 27th, 2005 @ 10:21pm

    
    

    Re: buying kidneys online, etc...

    I am a person with 4 grandchildren sleeping on the floor. I am poor and have litt;e education. The only thing of value I have is that I have the rarest blood in the world. Why shouldn't I be allowed to sell an organ or bone marrow to increase their quality of life and educate them?

     

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    KEVIN SELL, Oct 6th, 2005 @ 2:26pm

    
    

    Re: the problem

    I,M A HEALTHY 35 YEAR OLD MALE. I'M NOT IN DIRE STRAIGHTS FOR CASH BUT AM WANTING COMPENSATED FOR MY KIDNEY DONATION. CALL/ 417-935-5051 ASK FOR KEVIN.

     

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    Nieuwe Nier NU, Oct 7th, 2007 @ 3:41pm

    
    

    compensation for kidney donation

    Everyone has the right for decisions about his organs.If you visit the docter you have this right. Why not to sell organs under the condition that no one forces you to do so. In Holland we have a sadistic government: every year again 200 kidneypatients from the waitinglist die. The government refuses to organise a demand compensating donor system.But it punishes too offering kidneys for money. And a big foundation for kidney-patients called the 'Nierstichting'(social income € 15 mln pro year) plays the role of loyal dog of this goverment.Only sweet words for the patients, but in fact the direction spends all the money for status and own income (€ 14.000,-a month) And the 200 dying every year is not their business!

     

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    ajmal, Oct 19th, 2007 @ 5:12pm

    
    

    can i sell my kiddney

    hi i am Ajmal and i have O+ blode and i wantid to give my kiddney to some one who can help me for my children bater futur becose i am verry poor person and i have a lots of problam in life. that wye i take a disision for this thing. riply me. thanks ajmal

     

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    vishal, Oct 30th, 2007 @ 3:20am

    
    

    kideny doneted

    i am vishal. can i doneted kideny to some other person when these persone of my some blood group.b+

     

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    tammy sampson, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 8:38pm

    
    

    i need money! Want to be a kidney donor O+

    i would like to provide my 3 children w/ a better life. and i understand that there is a long waiting list, just about impossible to reach acceptance. But, i am willing to donate for a certain price. And would also have to have all medical treatments taking care of. I am very serious about this.I don't mean to sound ugly but, i there is money to provide my service. I am very healthy or than a little over weight. I would like for anyone that is serious about my donating, to email me with info.on patient or self.

     

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    tammy sampson, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 8:46pm

    
    

    i need money! Want to be a kidney donor O+

    i would like to provide my 3 children w/ a better life. and i understand that there is a long waiting list, just about impossible to reach acceptance. But, i am willing to donate for a certain price. And would also have to have all medical treatments taking care of. I am very serious about this.I don't mean to sound ugly but, i knowthere is money toprovide my services.i am healthy or than a little over weight. I would like for anyone that is serious about my donating, to email me with info.on patient or self.

     

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    tammy sampson, Jan 1st, 2008 @ 8:48pm

    
    

    i need money! Want to be a kidney donor O+

    i would like to provide my 3 children w/ a better life. and i understand that there is a long waiting list, just about impossible to reach acceptance. But, i am willing to donate for a certain price. And would also have to have all medical treatments taking care of. I am very serious about this.I don't mean to sound ugly but, i knowthere is money toprovide my services.i am healthy or than a little over weight. I would like for anyone that is serious about my donating, to email me with info.on patient or self.

     

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    akriti, Jun 26th, 2008 @ 8:34am

    
    

    Re: kideny doneted

    I want to contact u as I m in need of a kidney donor for my uncle with B+ blood group if u can help...Please reply as soon as possible in very urgent need mail me or call on 9911640838,9350513395,9839150505,9891804252 plz urgent.

     

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    Jennifer, Sep 5th, 2008 @ 4:23pm

    
    

    Re: Re: kideny doneted

    I am B+ healthy as an ox in good physical condition however how much are you willing to pay?

     

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    Nieuwe Nier NU, Sep 26th, 2008 @ 4:26am

    
    

    The Dutch Kidney Foundation (

    The Dutch people doesn't like to donate organs after death. There is a Minister of Health, named Mr. Ab Klink, who represents this sentiment. He doesn't want to change the non-donation system in a positive donation system like in Belgium, Spain or Austria, where few organ-needers die.
    The consequence of the Dutch non-system is a waiting-list for kidney-demanders from which every year die 200 patients. It is forbidden for kidney-patients in Holland to get a new kidney outside the waiting-list-system.
    Are'nt they organised then? Yes, they are represented by the Nierstichting (Kidney-foundation, yearly income from the charitas 18.000.000 euro).However this foundation spends this money mainly in a for the kidney-patient from today irrelevant way.Such as director's incomes, luxury-offices,60 expensive websites, long-term projects for mechanical and biological kidney-remplacants etc. This takes at least 15 years.
    People from the waiting list in surviving mood try to get "fresh" kidneys from family and friends. And there is a category that flight in the international kidney-commerce, often runned by the organ maffia. "Hey look, I see once more a dead kidney-donor behind the hedge". By refusing good demand- covering donation systems one promotes the jungle of life and death. And that with a potential of enough donor-organs!
    Thank you Nierstichting, thank you minister Ab Klink! That's we -Nieuwe Nier NU- fight against.You -the Nierstichting and gouvernment- are the ennemies of the kidney-patient.Which are factual differences between your way of doing and that of islamic terrorists?
    Best regards, Nierpatientencollectief "Nieuwe Nier NU" See also the YouTube-link in the URL for the protest-song (in dutch)

     

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    suresh, Oct 17th, 2008 @ 5:07am

    
    

    kidney donor

    i m 29 male with O+ blood group and i want to sale my one kidny. if any buddy want than contact me on my mail prajapati0@gmail.com

     

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    tim, Feb 5th, 2009 @ 2:07pm

    
    

    kidney

    I am a 46yr old,white,healthy male non-drinker, I am not selling my kidney , but rather donating one,however, I would like a generous (gift) for my time/loss of income/pain/transportation/ and all medical costs.my blood type 0- serious inquirers only. you can e-mail me at tb30016@comcast.net

     

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    mustafa shujaat khan, Apr 10th, 2009 @ 9:42pm

    
    

    i need money

    ineed money so i donate my one kideny urgently.

     

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    mustafa shujaat khan, Apr 11th, 2009 @ 3:01am

    
    

    Re: Re: kideny doneted

    ineed money so i donate ny one kidney

     

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    danny, Aug 28th, 2009 @ 5:49am

    
    

    donating or selling my kidney

    I'm a single dad 38 year old. I don't do drug drink or smoke. I'm very healthy. I don't know my blood type, but I like to donate one of my kidney. I live in las vegas nv.
    my phone #702-764-5991 in return if you could help out with the medical expenses and finacial for my time. please contact me at the phone above.

     

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    miguel, Oct 21st, 2009 @ 8:31am

    
    

    sell kidney

    i need to sell my kidney or part of my liver,blood type o+,really healty, i can travel and i'm young,i really do need economic help my price is 300,000 usd but at this point i accept almost any offer please contact me cazlogual@hotmail.com

     

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    Eugene (profile), Dec 15th, 2009 @ 7:56pm

    
    

    kidney donantion

    Healthy Texan. Family man. Willing to donate kidney under the right circumstances.
    contact me at: fhacharter123@att.net

     

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    daniel, Jan 5th, 2010 @ 11:59pm

    
    

    i am willing to donate my kidney.....

    hi.. i am willing to donate my kidney asap to anybody. i am B+ . sent me air tiket. male, 30, non- drinker, non-smoker. healty.

     

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    Shocked at the stupid, Feb 20th, 2010 @ 1:36am

    
    

    Re: Buying kidneys?

    That's the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard, talk about circular logic.
    
    Scarcity is what makes something worth a lot. Making it legal to buyt and sell organs would in no way create more crime. in fact it would reduce it.
    
    If people could freely buy and sell organs, they would be worth far less, as they would be more readily available. It is the black market buying and selling, because it is illegal, that creates the scarcity, which creates the high value.
    
    Also, who the hell is stealing eyes, and how would making selling organs legal lead to eye theft? What nonsense. Firstly, eyes are needed to see, and it's pretty fair to say no one is going to be able to walk into a hospital with eyes in a baggies and sell them. Nor would any bio firms be able to buy and sell such organs in such a way.
    
    Sorry, but your reasoning is completely unsound.

     

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    NathanRahl, Feb 20th, 2010 @ 1:43am

    
    

    Willing to Donate Kidney

    Hello, I am an American, and not a desperate one either, nor am I from some poor 3rd world developing country. I am male, 37 years old, life long athlete and physical trainer, interested in donating my kidney, for compensation. Cost, 200,000 American dollars. You pay for all hospital bills, two way airfare, as well as aftercare, none of which comes out of the initial 200,000. I will expect 1/4 upfront before I leave, another 1/4 when I arrive, and the remaining balance deposited directly before the surgery. This is all to protect me so as to be sure the recipient lives up to their agreed upon obligation. This is for real, as am I. My email is wisdomispower999@gmail.com Please only those who are serious need contact me, and the amount if non-negotiable.

     

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    bhogle, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 3:25am

    
    

    ready to donate MY 1 kidney

    hello i m 31 year old male, good healthy, non smoker , non alcoholic, my blood group is (A RH NEGATIVE), ANY NEEDFUL

     

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    BHOGLE, Jul 24th, 2010 @ 3:30am

    
    

    i m ready to , donate my 1 kidney

    hello , i m ready to donate my 1 kidney , i m 31 year mail, i m healyhy & non smoker , non alcoholic, my blood group is (A RH NEGATIVE) ANY NEEDFUL PLEASE CONTACT ON MY E MAIL ID, bhoglekarm@yahoo.com

     

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    Rithesh Chandrashekaran, Jul 31st, 2010 @ 1:25am

    
    

    Kidney

    Hello sir, I'm Rithesh from Kerala. Graduated, Aged 26, My Blood group is O- (O Negative), non smoker, non drinker, Height 168cm, Weight 62kg. I would like to donate one of my kidney.
    Presently I'm in a financial crisis and I wan't to save my family. I would feel like being blessed if I could help somebody by giving my kidney and also save my family by this. Please contact if interested.
    www.chandraji.rithu@gmail.com

     

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    Rithesh Chandrashekaran, Jul 31st, 2010 @ 1:33am

    
    

    O-ve / O Negative

    Hello sir, I'm Rithesh from Kerala. Graduated, Aged 26, My Blood group is O-ve (O Negative), non smoker, non drinker, Height 168cm, Weight 62kg. I would like to donate one of my kidney.
    Presently I'm in a financial crisis and I wan't to save my family. I would feel like being blessed if I could help somebody by giving my kidney and also save my family by this. Please contact if interested.
    chandraji.rithu@gmail.com

     

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    Stephen, Aug 4th, 2010 @ 8:40am

    
    

    Kidney Available

    i m 25 male now in china come from pakistan and i want to sell my kidney if any one need just let me now ,my blood group is AB- my e mail is King_of_friends20006@yahoo.com

     

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    prasanna, Oct 6th, 2010 @ 5:52am

    
    

    need help for kidney treatment

    i m poor
    i had kidney problame.i cant afford expences .pls send money to my account to save my life online donation can be made to ac no 11203445440
    state bank of india

     

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    sangita, Nov 19th, 2010 @ 4:42am

    
    

    donate my kidney

    i am 28 years old female from india i want to donate my kidney due to huge finencial crisis blood type is o+ pls call me. 9623782331 or mail me at. sangita27@ymail.com

     

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    marius, Feb 18th, 2011 @ 5:31am

    
    

    need to donate my one O+ve kidney

    i am from ernakulam in kerala(india).i need to donate my one O+ve kidney becouse of the financial problem. please urgently contact me at this email address with your phone nos.

     

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    Anil, Apr 19th, 2011 @ 12:33am

    
    

    Want to sale my kidney

    I am 42yrs. non smoker non drinker A+

     

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    jyoti ray, Jun 26th, 2011 @ 11:46pm

    
    

    donate kidney

    hi ,i am jyoti ray ,ihave ab+ and my husband have a+ we both couple want to donate our kidney .if anyone need then kindly contact us in our cell no- 09937093731 , 09124696295 , mail - sncsraj@yahoo.in

     

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    jyoti ray, Jun 26th, 2011 @ 11:54pm

    
    

    donate kidney

    hi ,i am jyoti ray ,ihave ab+ and my husband have a+ we both couple want to donate our kidney .if anyone need then kindly contact us in our cell no- 09937093731 , 09124696295 , mail - sncsraj@yahoo.in

     

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    Discreet227, Oct 9th, 2011 @ 12:36am

    
    

    Want to sale my kidney

    I am really poor. I want to sell my kidney. Email Discreet227 for more info.

     

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    Manish, Apr 6th, 2012 @ 3:37am

    
    

    Selling of my kidney

    Hi
    i am in need of money so i can sell my 1 kidney i am from india mumbai
    my no: is 9320855030

     

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    ranjith, Aug 9th, 2012 @ 9:55am

    
    

    Re: need to donate my one O+ve kidney

    Are you still ready to donate ur kidney?
    
    my relative required very urgently,
    
    ranjith
    9747600155

     

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    Richi Sam, Dec 5th, 2012 @ 7:14am

    
    

    Re: need donor for O+ve kidney

    Sir are you still ready to donate your kidny. If yes plz contact in this no.8590771717. Sir it's very urgent for my sister. Plz help us

     

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    MINI RAMESH, Jan 12th, 2013 @ 6:16am

    
    

    need o rh d +ve kidney donor urgently

    i am mini from quilon district, i am seriously looking for a kidney donor with O Rh D +ve blood group for my husband urgently. Please let me know if anybody wants to help us.
    
    my husband number is 0091 9846327708

     

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    sandip chabukswar, Jan 20th, 2013 @ 10:07am

    
    

    sale my one kidny

    i m 29 Sandip O+ blood group and i want to sale my one kidny. if any buddy want than contact me on my mail
    
    chabukswarsandip@gmail.com
    
    Mob No. 09503735995

     

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    ESWAR, Apr 27th, 2013 @ 8:30pm

    
    

    I SALE MY ONE B.POSITIVE KIDNEY I WANT MONEY VERY URGENT PLEASE CALL ME 8897052370 ESWAR H.Y.D

     

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