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   I hate fraud, but...

   

   Oliver Wendell Jones, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 6:58am

   
   

   It seems there should be a point where if you can pull a stunt like this against people who really, well and truly should know better, that perhaps the police and the FTC should stand back, offer up some polite golf applause and say "good show, good show!".
   
   It's not like he was ripping off senior citizens or something...

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   F&F shares

   

   DV Henkel-Wallace, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 7:32am

   
   

   Not to mention that those F&F shares aren't for sale anyway. You get them as a gift and they appear in the broker's account at the IPO.

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   Anonymous Coward, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 7:59am

   
   

   > It's not like he was ripping < br>> off senior citizens or something
   
   Oh, so the quality of the victim counts now?

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   Anonymous Coward, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 8:07am

   
   

   Obviously yes. If you *really* think that to steal 1.000.000 bucks from Bill Gates (or some other similar guy) is the same (or even worse) that to steal a worker all its retirement money you have some serious mental & moral problem, friend.

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   Oliver Wendell Jones, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 8:40am

   
   

   No, the quality of the victim should never count in a truly ideal world, but...
   
   One of the guys who got taken was an INVESTMENT BANKER for crying out loud.
   
   If a guy on a street corner sells blueprints for a car that runs on water to unsuspecting passer-bys you feel bad for the people who get taken and you get mad at the guy who took advantage of them.
   
   If the same guy takes those blue prints to Chrysler's engineering team and they sit down and review the blueprints and see that they obviously can't work but they buy them anyways, do you still feel sorry for Chrysler and get mad at the conman?
   
   The people that got "ripped off" by this scheme all sound like intelligent professionals who allowed their own greed to interfere with their rational thought process.
   
   Do you really think that they were buying Google stock because they are big fans of Google or because they knew that the price was going to spike and they were going to get rich?
   
   They were trying to do the same thing that the conman did, but they were trying to be "legal" about it.
   
   I don't feel sorry for them, nor do I feel sorry for people who lose all their money to a Nigerian scammer.

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   eeyore, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 10:43am

   
   

   Theft is theft, and fraud is fraud, whether you're conning senior citizens out of their life savings or hustling greedy billionaires out of a few bucks. If you don't see how the two are the same you're the one with the serious mental & moral issues.

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   Anti-Exec, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 12:12pm

   
   

   All parties involved are scum. The "buyers" deserve to lose any and all money they transferred to this guy for trying to get cheap shares. F these people who don't play by the rules and then cry foul when they get burned.

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   paket, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 1:51pm

   
   

   Do you *really* think that it is right to steal from people who have more than you do? If so, have you ever considered the fact that you rank within the top few percent of the planet? Your ability to post this single comment puts you far, far ahead of most of the people in the world. There are billions who could not even imagine what it would be like to be as rich as you.
   Now, how would you feel if an "average" citizen of the world (who is far poorer than you) showed up one day and made off with your computer, TV or car? After all, they need it worse than you, right? Just like the con man in the story needed the money worse than the ones he ripped off. Or maybe we're going to draw an arbitrary line - open season on anyone richer than the original poster, but anyone poorer is protected.
   No one has any natural claim on anyone else's work or posessions.
   The product of a man's hands ought to be protected as strongly as the product of his mouth

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   Re: I hate fraud, but...

   

   Adrian Anders, Mar 15th, 2004 @ 3:51pm

   
   

   Oh yea, what about the rich assholes who suck up corporate welfare, or cheat on their taxes by shipping it out of the country, or impose bullshit charges on the bank accounts of working families which they manage because they happened to have lost money in the casino…. oh I mean the stock market. Ooh what I would do if I could get my hands on them. So I say yea, rip them bastards off. Valets, take the change out of the Mercedes that you park, because your overlords aren't going to give you a raise any time soon. Office drones, take those pens, floppies, and CD-Rs when you leave your comfy cubicle for the exciting fast paced field of sandwich manufacturing (now with pay cuts and fewer benefits). You're deluding yourself if you think America has a truly free market. The only thing that's free are the corporations who are free to walk on the average man/woman with their big monopoly sized boot. Morals apply to us just as much as them. If the rich won't play by the rules, why should we?
   
   ATA

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    Re: I hate fraud, but...

    

    eeyore, Mar 16th, 2004 @ 10:46am

    
    

    When you get mugged by a third-world immigrant who thinks the exact thing about you that you think about corporate america you'll understand why.

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    Re: I hate fraud, but...

    

    maxx, Mar 26th, 2004 @ 8:13am

    
    

    that third world guy that muggs you is probably a guy trying to suppliment his piss poor wage(as a computer software scientist),working for an american company,that just off shored YOUR job.(you will find out at the last moment.)

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    Re: I hate fraud, but...

    

    John Habling Jr, Apr 24th, 2004 @ 9:13pm

    
    

    Should we say its right? no its not. Should we say that we pitty them? how can we? they are still well off, any they derserve it for doing what they knew, something wrong, happens to be so they were doing wrong to them selves rather then to...

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    Arthur De Pasquale, Apr 30th, 2004 @ 5:31am

    
    

    Hi! Too bad that stupidity is not a crime. I'm poor and can not afford to buy Google Stock. I hope they catch the seller and give him a few thousand shares. As for the idiots fine them the cost of the shares, for their greed.Also prevent all sides from doing this again. Thanks, Artie
    P.S.I'm new to this computer stuff, at 66 I just watch the goings on

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