People Arrested For Shill Bidding On eBay
from the they're-after-you dept
I've heard plenty of people talk about helping friends out on their eBay auctions by "bidding something up". Apparently, doing so is considered wire fraud and can get you five years in jail - so perhaps it's worth a second thought. Of course, in this case, the folks involved were caught rigging nearly 500 auctions. What I still don't understand is how they caught them. How do you figure out that a certain bid is a "shill" instead of a real bid?






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How they where caught
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if you're going to shill bids, shill from behind a NATing internet service provider.
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Here is his site http://stores.ebay.com/id=12818542&ssPageName=L2
He is always getting somehow (new registered users) and I know his auction of his jewelry is contradicting itself. He is lying to make it sound so inticing. I sell Jewelry and gems and I know my stuff. He is cheating. How is he doing this, what source. Here he is on day 1 and already selling stuff up to $50.00 and here I am at day 6 and still nothing.
Input would be great. Make me feel sane. What can I do? All I want is traffic to see me. Like everyone else.
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Regards,Rob
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Ebay Shill Bidders And How To Catch Them
">pay close attention to the email addresses
Rule number 2~don't copy and paste. See when you copy and paste you suddenly forget which auction and name that you were under such as this seller/buyer did.....pay close attention to email addresses
Now if you have taken a close look and said, "Gee so the buyer of this auction just has the same name as the sellers email address, that doesn't constitute shill bidding"
If you have said that then go get your sign now! The seller of this auction finally gets it together in the end of her auctions such as this one and finally gets the copy and paste technique down right..... ">decides that email and names should coincide and once again decides that email and names should coincide.
I guess she could claim in a court of law that it was multiple personality disorder. And that she couldn't make up her mind if she wanted to be Lori or Brandy. Make no mistake they are the same person. It is really quite entertaining busting someone though.....;)
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bidder1
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These always raise a red flag for me but are often for items that are adult in nature.
Here is what ebay has to say about it.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/private.html
Also that is hilarious about busting the mold lady shill bidding, she is still on there. (HAHA get it? busting the mold)
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It stands for "Network Address Translation"
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bidding
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Shill Bidding
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follow up to my own posting
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Shill Bidding
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SHILL BIDDING
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""Buyers beware as Ahmet Sandikci is under investigation by the FBI, The Department of the Tresury, IRS and more for defrauding customers. DO NOT BUY FROM AHMET SANDIKCI. YOU WILL NEVER SEE A RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED " "
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Let me guess, you don't mean me do you, you mean non-white foreign people, people that speak a different language to you.
The email scam that originated in Nigeria happened because of a loop hole in Nigerian law. There are dishonest people everywhere, it just so happens that dishonest Nigerians, not Nigerians per say, exploited this loop hole.
Or maybe Americans simply never rip off other Americans?
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Ebay are part of the problom
In the first instance DO NOT CONTACT eBay as they are particularly keen to hide such activities from the public in an attempt to reassure members that it’s safe on eBay and will hide behind the data protection act if asked for detail needed in order to take action yourself.
DO REMEMBER TO SAVE OR PRINT the pages relating to any wrong doing before eBay removed them and changed the data in order to claim that you were not in fact the winning bidder as happened in my case and don’t be put off perusing eBay when they suddenly start replying to you complaints in a foreign language such as Flemish.
You can be sure eBay collected it fees from the person who conned me and have access to IP Addresses and bank details to stop these people opening a new account so from a commercial perspective they are on the side of the criminals however help is at hand with site such as www.Ebusters.co.uk, www.GoofBay.com which helps monitor and catch these criminals.
If your not convince that eBay are involved in such illegal activities then see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/24/ebay_shill_lawsuit/ that will maybe change your mind.
Shill bidder are rewarded by eBay and just in case they go too far in pushing the price up then eBay comes to the rescue with second chance offer so get it out your head about eBay helping protect members as they are not the solution when they are part of the problem and remember that the next time you suddenly find you won after all.
One last little tip is to save your time from complaining on eBay forums as you will soon discover such unfriendly topics are weighted to quickly disappear off the bottom of the screen and don’t believe all them cars that went unsold with no reserve at £0.99 with no bids as it’s a clear manipulation of the data by eBay as I have witnessed this myself.
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eBay is knowingly "aiding and abetting" fraudsters!
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shill-shocker highway robbery
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PONZI CROOKS FRAUD
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Re:Ponzi Crooks Fraud
Now quit whinning, shut-up and go cook my fries!
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Re: Shill Bidding
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Shill bidding on eBay
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I don't think friends and family members should be barred from bidding on a persons items and here is why: My grandmother died and left a large collection of Barbie items. 8 Different granddaughters wanted the Barbies. My mom decided it would be a great idea to put them on ebay. We could then all bid on the items we really wanted. We had to pay for them, and then after all the ebay fees were paid she divided the money back amongst us. It was a great idea, kept peace in the family, until of course my mom got suspended because I bid (with my own personal account) from what I'm guessing was the same location. (Is that how i.p. address is determined?) Anyway we didn't do anything dishonest,As a matter of fact we didn't get some of our items. Definitly a good idea that backfired. I also think that if I put something I treasure on Ebay and its not going at the price I think its worth, I think I should be able to buy it back. I wouldn't cancel my bid in order to get fees back, I would pay the fees. Does that make me a criminal?? Please advise.
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Shill Bidding on eBay
Shill Bidding on eBay: Case Study #2
Shining some light on the more sophisticated and therefore harder to detect shill bidding activity by many “professional” sellers on eBay auctions
This time a spreadsheet analysis of multiple auctions, from some "professional" sellers from the US and Australia. Needless to say the analysis demonstrates, once again, that, contrary to eBay’s claims, shill bidding by many “professional” sellers is rampant on eBay auctions. The full comment and spreadsheet download links at:
http://www.auctionbytes.com/forum/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=24296
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ebay does not give a hoot about shill bidding or the consumer
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EBAY: MONEY vs. INTEGRITY
EBAY KEEPS A RECORD OF ALL BIDS (THEY HAVE TO). AND LIKE ANY OTHER INVESTIGATION, ONCE THEY SEE A PATTERN WHERE A SELLER IS GETTING THE SAME BUYER AND/OR THE BUYER HAS A RECORD OF ONLY BIDDING FROM THAT SELLER AND NEVER WINNING BIDS FROM THE SELLER, CASE CLOSED. YOUR CRIMINAL HAS BEEN CAUGHT AND THE CRIME HAS BEEN SOLVED.
HOWEVER, EBAY WOULD OF LOSS LOTS OF MONEY IN THEIR YOUNGER DAYS, WHICH THEY KNEW ABOUT SHILL BIDDINGS WAAAY... BEFORE IT WAS EVER INVESTIGATED AND FINALLY BROUGHT TO THE SURFACE. EBAY GETS PAID EITHER WAY SO, WHY MESS UP A GOOD THING? THAT'S THEIR MOTTO!
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People who hide behind fake names are cowards
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Shill Bidding
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What percentage of new items sold on Ebay is counterfeit? 50%? More?
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First conviction
eBuster has been asked to find members of the public that live in the UK who would like to take part in a live debate with ebay about shill bidding and can be contacted on the 'Contact us' page on eBuster,co,uk
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To the ass who said there is nothing wrong with shilling!
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NOW TO MAKE IT WORSE HE SITS IN DARK CORNER NAKED AND TWEAKS HIS NIPPLES WHILE ROCKING BACK AND FORTH RECITING THE GIRL SCOUT OATH, AND THIS IS CAUSED BY THE EVIL BASTARD WHO OUT BID HIM ON THAT BETTE MIDLER CD!!
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SHILL BIDDING
THOSE WHO ARE OFFENDED BY SHILL BIDDING YOU NEED TO GET EMOTIONAL HELP, YOU DO NOT DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BID. IF YOU WERE NOT SO WEAK MINDED YOU WOULD PLACE THE HIGHEST BID YOU WANT TO PAY AND STOP. YOU DO NOT NEED TO OUT BID EVERYONE JUST TO MAKE A POINT!! ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BLAME.
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I am new to ebay (just as a buyer right now) and I am glad to finally read a commentary from an individual with an internally driven sense of morality. It is unfortunate that people are so flippant and dismissive with their behavior and words, having to be externally policed. I do hope that Ebay will be aggressive in enforcing the "no shilling" policy and that the profit motive does not supercede this. The inflated shipping is bad enough with some sellers. Alternatively, I don't mind paying for something I want, knowing the seller is making a profit, as they have to pay a % to Ebay and worry about penalties in the form of having to pay a greater % etc., for less than perfect ratings according to some information I have read.
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And with such majestic calmness; you should become a writer!
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Shillers beware of the intellligent.
Second IP address, no one with a brain would shill bid from the same IP address, once again unless you are a retard(In which most cases they are).
Third, The buyer has NO history on bidding on said type items( Usually a buyer bids on the same type items that falls within their interests).
Fourth, and foremost, ebay doesnt give a shyt and does absolutely NOTHING in 99.9% of the cases of shill bidding, all FEEBAY wants in their FEES, and to double dip on S&H and paypal fees(A Company in which they own), so us as sellers with 100% positive feedback like me get the shaft, as usual, is this something new or a surprise to us sellers? NO and it will continue and go one and on. It's like crack, no matter how obvious the downfalls are we keep coming back and back and back and back to sell our items and get raped by FEEBAY! and GAYPAL. Both one in the same rip-off artists that feed and leach off hard working middle class(Better Yet bottom class) sellers. Either chalk it up as par for the course or pack up and ship out, they know this and so do we, but we are stuck.... Right? WRONG?
I have a brain and am highly intelligent, I can find ways to diversify ANYTHING and every thing, Life will find a way, and so will I.. Ok, I'm done ranting.....
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eBay soaks sellers, supplies life jackets for buyers
He is doing this with about 20 items, some, as with mine, he hasn't even won yet.
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QUID PRO QUO
I'm cleaning house and have an assortment of quality items to bid on, now through June 6, 2012 take a look:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/yabe-beauty/m.html?item=180893974387&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3 AIT&_sop=15
Thanks!
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BIGJJSTUDD loves Shill bidding
He will also use this accounts to bid and purchase auctions from his competitors. He does this to research their business practices and sometimes to leave negative feedback.
He also employs this tactic to make his similar auctions appear to be lower in price, he does this in order to drive the price up so that the bidders will purchase from him instead. The account he uses
to do this will then not pay for the auction.
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"Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5"
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carswithnoreserve
Someone do me a favour and look at his items and tell me I'm not going daft.
carswithnoreserve
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/carswithnoreserve/m.html?item=200904187780&a mp;ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
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